Cricket

[Tigertool]

Lehmann and Warner are cancers for the team. I hope both of them don't represent Australia again.

 

[IanG]

I wonder when and if Warner comes back in he'll pull his bloody head in, his ranting and raving on field should not be tolerated. The same goes with Kholi, he needs to be pulled into line.
It's a good opportunity for the ICC to get on the front foot and stamp out this terrible on field behaviour that has been getting worse each year.

Warner will never play for Australia again you can take that to the bank.

 

[Brodders17]

How would you feel to be Pete Handscomb. 3 players sent home and 3 fly to south africa and Handscomb stays 12th man? Might as well walk away from Australian cricket..

has the 11 been announced? i expect Handscomb to play and either Maxwell or Burns to be 12th man.

questions should be asked tho about what message Handscomb took from Lehman to Bancroft to stop Bancroft being caught be the umpires.

 

[tigertim]

So the story coming out now is that it was Warner’s idea, Bancroft was the patsy and Smith stood idly by.

So when Smith says the “leadership group” he’s seemingly talking about he and Warner.

If that’s the case it’s no wonder Lyon, Starc and Hazelwood are pissed off.

 

[Baloo]

Farce

 

[tigersnake]

Do u cheat on your tax midsy? I hope you’re not claiming one deduction you shouldn’t.

MD you make a good point and got me thinking. Cheating is an ingrained part of Australian society. There is a lot of legal cheating, big corporations cheating on their tax, politicians getting jobs for their mates, or all-but spouses. A lot of grey-area cheating like immigration ministers cheating on who they give visas to, 'forgetting' to declare assets, rorting expenses, rich people rorting family trust and all sorts of tax laws to get an unfair advantage, new stock market listings that look good being open only to those with big portfolios, ex-politicians milking their political contacts and becoming high-paid consultants. And also a lot of outright, illegal corrupt cheating, business people paying -off politicians, especially at local and state levels, for contracts, land re-zonings and development approvals, companies failing to heed multiple safety warnings and continuing at max production until a disaster kills hundreds (BHP in Brasil). Mining companies selling almost-exhausted mines for $1 to a small player to avoid the clean-up costs. Banks lying to their customers and ripping off nest-eggs. And who hasn't had a workmate, family member, friend or acquaintance who tended to bend the rules to get things or get things done? I've been less than perfect a couple of times in my life, sold a house with annoying neighbours, had a bank mistake in my favour once, there is probably more.

Thing is, cheating is ingrained in Australian society. I think a big reason why we love cricket is that we think or hope that it is above all that.

 

[Sintiger]

MD you make a good point and got me thinking. Cheating is an ingrained part of Australian society. There is a lot of legal cheating, big corporations cheating on their tax, politicians getting jobs for their mates, or all-but spouses. A lot of grey-area cheating like immigration ministers cheating on who they give visas to, 'forgetting' to declare assets, rorting expenses, rich people rorting family trust and all sorts of tax laws to get an unfair advantage, new stock market listings that look good being open only to those with big portfolios, ex-politicians milking their political contacts and becoming high-paid consultants. And also a lot of outright, illegal corrupt cheating, business people paying -off politicians, especially at local and state levels, for contracts, land re-zonings and development approvals, companies failing to heed multiple safety warnings and continuing at max production until a disaster kills hundreds (BHP in Brasil). Mining companies selling almost-exhausted mines for $1 to a small player to avoid the clean-up costs. Banks lying to their customers and ripping off nest-eggs. And who hasn't had a workmate, family member, friend or acquaintance who tended to bend the rules to get things or get things done? I've been less than perfect a couple of times in my life, sold a house with annoying neighbours, had a bank mistake in my favour once, there is probably more.

Thing is, cheating is ingrained in Australian society. I think a big reason why we love cricket is that we think or hope that it is above all that.

yes. pretty deep but there have been a few articles along that theme.

 

[tigerman]

Warner will never play for Australia again you can take that to the bank.

If he was the instigator i think you may well be right.
I suspect that he'll play the sympathy card that he wasn't thinking straight after the sledge about his wife. That won't wash with me because if he wasn't such vocal sledger it would not have got out of hand to the stage where an opponent resorts to that.

 

[Sintiger]

Warner will never play for Australia again you can take that to the bank.

I have heard from someone "in the know" for a long time now that he is deeply unpopular with many and I heard some quotes of what he has said to people that are deeply disturbing. For instance what he said to Trott and Trescothick on separate occasions about their mental illnesses. Horrible stuff

He now appears to have thrown his teammates under a bus and I don't think he can recover from that

I guess he will just travel the world making multi millions playing 20/20 cricket

 

[tigersnake]

Seems Warner is not well-liked by his teammates.

 

[tigertim]

if Warner never plays again so be it. flat track bully, unlikable.

But hopefully Smith and Bancroft recover and get another opportunity (assuming talk of a 6 month ban for Bancroft and 12 months for Smith are true)

 

[MD Jazz]

MD you make a good point and got me thinking. Cheating is an ingrained part of Australian society. There is a lot of legal cheating, big corporations cheating on their tax, politicians getting jobs for their mates, rich people rorting family trust and all sorts of tax laws to get an unfair advantage,

Trust me, everyone cheats on their tax TS. I did tax for 20 years and there are no cleanskins, its not confined to big corporations. People claiming the 5000km car use, when either no work related car use or they were re-imbursed by work, people claiming home internet, nobile phones, work uniforms.............everyone does/did it.

And, getting jobs for mates is not confined to politicians, its how society/business functions.

Its not just "rich" people (who are these rich people? On a world scale that's almost all Australians) rorting family trusts which by the way are completely legal and are not simply a tax vehicle but an asset protection/investment structure.

I think if people applied their expectations of behaviour of the likes of Smith/Warner etc to themselves most would fall woefully short.

These penalties are going to be so over the top for the actual offence.

 

[waiting]

Tigertim agree with what you wrote , snake and sin.

Hope Warner cops the longest ban. Have a deep dislike the way he plays, talks and conducts himself.

If Lehman wasn't behind it, I feel Warner was and for whatever reason(s), Smith agreed and Bancroft was asked to tamper with ball instead of Warner himself , I feel more for those two men.

No excuse I know.

Smith especially in my eyes will struggle with the ramifications of his actions, but maybe after the wash up ( he may not see it now ) appeared for whatever reason was beginning to struggle with SA even after winning the Ashes, that if he cops a ban , the break away from the game that was all consuming for him now , will be good for him.

Bancroft is only just beginning in his career and in time we may be far more forgiving but has to accept that he did the action and has to build trust and let his cricket do the action.

Cheating is creeping so much more in the Australuan psyche and seems to be an acceptable practice.

Sutherland to not call it out to me spells $, lawyers and sponsorship(s).

 

[tigersnake]

Trust me, everyone cheats on their tax TS. I did tax for 20 years and there are no cleanskins, its not confined to big corporations. People claiming the 5000km car use, when either no work related car use or they were re-imbursed by work, people claiming home internet, nobile phones, work uniforms.............everyone does/did it.

And, getting jobs for mates is not confined to politicians, its how society/business functions.

Its not just "rich" people (who are these rich people? On a world scale that's almost all Australians) rorting family trusts which by the way are completely legal and are not simply a tax vehicle but an asset protection/investment structure.

I think if people applied their expectations of behaviour of the likes of Smith/Warner etc to themselves most would fall woefully short.

These penalties are going to be so over the top for the actual offence.

Don't disagree, except re. rich people. The richer you are the more scope to (legally) rort the system, both in absolute and proportional terms. Its legal sure, but that doesn't make it right, and they have more power to ensure laws are in their favour. (agree with the point that we're all rich in Aus in global terms)

You've dodged or missed my main point though, I agree cheating is rife in society, but people think or hope that cricket is or should be above that, thats the point. Hence the outrage. You're saying its out of whack and its a fair point, I'm saying there are legitimate reasons for that.

 

[Sintiger]

Trust me, everyone cheats on their tax TS. I did tax for 20 years and there are no cleanskins, its not confined to big corporations. People claiming the 5000km car use, when either no work related car use or they were re-imbursed by work, people claiming home internet, nobile phones, work uniforms.............everyone does/did it.

And, getting jobs for mates is not confined to politicians, its how society/business functions.

Its not just "rich" people (who are these rich people? On a world scale that's almost all Australians) rorting family trusts which by the way are completely legal and are not simply a tax vehicle but an asset protection/investment structure.

I think if people applied their expectations of behaviour of the likes of Smith/Warner etc to themselves most would fall woefully short.

These penalties are going to be so over the top for the actual offence.

I agree with what you say but there is a nuance. I totally agree that there is a place for trusts ( I had one for years when I worked for myself) but it's that when the practice of excessive income splitting with family members is threatened with being taken away there is outrage. It's quasi legal now of course ( using trusts is legal, fake income splitting is not), but there is a sense of entitlement about such things that is concerning. If the burdon of proof was increased on the tax deductions you mentioned there would be outrage as well and it would be couched in " increased administrative burden" and the true issue of rorting would be lost.

We have created a winner takes all society. The Singaporeans call it kiasu (as Baloo would know), look after yourself and bugger everyone else. That's where we are going as a nation imo.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Excellent article from Lalor today on Steve Smith's fall from grace.

 

[Nico]

This has really upset me, and I can't put my finger on exactly why.

On the surface, roughing up a cricket ball is certainly not the crime of the century, but why do I feel so bad about it? Why am I embarrassed to be an Australian cricket fan, but more importantly an Australian?

Would I feel as bad if Smith or Warner punched an opponent in the face? Probably not. They would be suspended naturally for this rush of blood or brain freeze, forced to attend an anger management course etc., and if contrite, would play again after the suspension. Why does cheating feel worse?

We've always been told in sport to play hard but fair. Take it to the line, but don't cross it. What satisfaction do you get by winning something unfairly? In football, I hate it when the Tiges receive a soft free kick which results in a goal. It's like we didn't deserve the goal. I hate any win being questioned by anyone. "If it wasn't for the soft free kick, you wouldn't have won" etc.

I don't know. Maybe it's the complete stupidity of those involved to try an get an illegal edge, to win at all costs, to secure a hollow victory. I don't get it.

I just feel that all of us have now been tarred with the same brush.

Rambling, incoherent rant over.

 

[waiting]

Can you post it Too?

 

[MD Jazz]

Hope Rabada is successful in his appeal.

Aust cricket has such poor leadership with Smith (weird over exaggerated and immature), Warner & Lehman - unsophisticated bogans - in charge. I know it’s a tough game in many ways and the physcology of the game so important but their inability to see the bigger picture annoys me. They have a huge influence on young men and to me too often set the wrong example.

I’m hoping rabada gets off and sticks it to them.

I wrote this before the ball tampering incident, I'm usually wrong with big statements but reckon I was quite prescient in this case.

 

[Legends of 2017]

At least one positive has come out of all this. No more bloody 'My Oled' ads with warner in it.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/lg-decides-not-to-renew-david-warner-sponsorship-20180328-p4z6pj.html