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tigertim said:
Of course they're human. They certainly come across as gutted and remorseful. I feel sorry for them. I see their actions more as a pre meditated conscious decision than a mistake though. They are representing Australia and the citizens deserve better. I'm sure everyone wishes it didn't happen but unfortunately it's a choice they made.
Surely Gillespie has to be a front runner to lead a new era.
Do people feel sorry when a jockey deliberately pulls up a horse in race and then gets caught and suspended ?
Do we feel sorry for Armstrong, Jones, an co who cheated got caught then suspended ?
Now how about the Essendon football club , Jobe Watson ? I believe most where saying they got what they deserve.
These cheating dogs are still able to play there chosen sport and in 12 months will be back making great money and more then likely Smith will be playing for our country, however what they have done will have the baggy green tarnished forever
Do people feel sorry when a jockey deliberately pulls up a horse in race and then gets caught and suspended ?
Do we feel sorry for Armstrong, Jones, an co who cheated got caught then suspended ?
Now how about the Essendon football club , Jobe Watson ? I believe most where saying they got what they deserve.
These cheating dogs are still able to play there chosen sport and in 12 months will be back making great money and more then likely Smith will be playing for our country, however what they have done will have the baggy green tarnished forever
A cheat is a cheat , all of the above cheats , including Warner, Bancroft and Smith pre meditated there actions to cheat , so there not that far apart. Yep they are cheating dogs , you may think it’s ok to cheat I don’t and like it or not we are tarnished forever , ask a kiwi re cricket , they will never forget or forgive the pathetic Chappell incident, how about us re body line ? an both of those were in the laws of the game.MD Jazz said:
The never made a mistake comment is such an over used flog comment, no doubt we all have made mistakes and most of us have all been judged for it, payed for it in one way or another, however most of us that have made mistakes haven’t bought shame on our nation or been in such a high position and affected so many. I can’t believe so many are feeling sorry for grown adults who failed miserably when they had the choice to do the right thing, 12 months pfft that’s nothing and gives them all a great opportunity to redeem themselves if they have the character to do so.
Punishments to me are a bit harsh. Pleased to see Lehmann go though. Sutherland needs to go too, he was the guy who appointed Lehmann after capitulating to the players and sacking Mickey Arthur. Lehmann had a different style, play to win of course, but the players and Lehmann in the end were playing to win at any cost.
I'm a huge test fan, and once did every day of Perth, Melbourne and Sydney tests all in the one summer, another time went to the Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne tests. The players behaviour of late has caused me to lose a bit of love for test cricket, i would love to see the ICC bring in tougher penalties to stomp out this in your face behaviour, i'm not going to hold my breath though.
I'm a huge test fan, and once did every day of Perth, Melbourne and Sydney tests all in the one summer, another time went to the Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne tests. The players behaviour of late has caused me to lose a bit of love for test cricket, i would love to see the ICC bring in tougher penalties to stomp out this in your face behaviour, i'm not going to hold my breath though.
You both sound a little pedantic and precious there, apologies to both.tigertim said:
Obviously most believe they did the wrong thing , it’s just the opinions on punishments that appear to vary.
I’ve been involved at a professional sporting level against a cheat, no excuses , hate them.
Yep cheating & lying about it far worse than any tears or remorseful apologies.
They'll rightly do their time. Don't think that'll be the end of it though. It's a stigma they'll now carry forever.
Smith? What will most sadly be overlooked in that is as a pure batsman his achievements are up there with the absolute very best ever to play the game.
He didn't cheat his way to that status.
They'll rightly do their time. Don't think that'll be the end of it though. It's a stigma they'll now carry forever.
Smith? What will most sadly be overlooked in that is as a pure batsman his achievements are up there with the absolute very best ever to play the game.
He didn't cheat his way to that status.
That’s one thing I keep forgetting, is the fact after they got caught they again tried to deceive by lying about the sand paper, I’m guessing they thought that would lesson the blow. Created, acted, got caught, lied, now cried.Tigers of Old said:
From Michael Vaughn Sydney Morning Herald:
This Australia team have disintegrated completely in less than a week. The captain, vice-captain, opening batsman and coach have all gone in the wake of the ball-tampering scandal, and it is right that they have.
What has happened to Australia - a side who were being treated as heroes by their own public just a couple of months ago after they won the Ashes so emphatically - should serve as a reminder to sports teams everywhere that no matter how invulnerable you feel, bad behaviour on the field will catch up with you. Australia's conduct has been poor for years now, and the only way it can change is for a complete clean sweep of people at the top.
Do I have sympathy for the guys who have left? Yes - for most, at least. I first met Darren Lehmann when he joined Yorkshire in 1997 and found him a terrific bloke. He had no trouble in mixing with the guys in the dressing room and brought a real energy to the team. Yes, he played hard and was incredibly focused on winning and being the best he could be, but at no point did I ever suspect he would embrace cheating. In fact, I still do not - I cannot believe that he knew about the plan to tamper with the ball against South Africa in advance. He just is not that sort of character
However, Darren will know as well as anyone that the guy who sets the culture of the team is the coach, so when something like this happens on his watch, he simply has to go. It is brutal - and it did not surprise me that he broke down in tears during his announcement yesterday, because he is that passionate about the sport and his country. But that is the only way Australian cricket can bring about proper change.
It is also why Steve Smith had to go. His press conference yesterday was a seriously tough watch, and he must wonder how it has all gone so horribly wrong so quickly. But he will get the support he needs to come back from this in the coming weeks and months and I cannot believe he will not come back into international cricket when he has served his time and reflected properly on what he did. The same goes for Cameron Bancroft - a young guy who seems to have been leant on.
That cannot be said for David Warner. The revelations from Cricket Australia (CA) on Wednesday that he was the mastermind of the plot and had told Bancroft to cheat were damning. The fact that he had also shown him how to do so - by using sandpaper to scuff one side of the ball - suggests to me that this was not the first time he had done it. All that is a massive black mark against his name.
Sadly for Australia, this story still has some way to run. Warner's comment that he has more to say about the tampering in a few days' time were ominous for CA: now that he has been cut adrift from the national side, he has nothing to lose and they will be nervous about exactly what he might come out with.
In my opinion, Australia should now pay whatever it takes to get Ricky Ponting and Justin Langer to take over and sort out the mess. Both are hugely respected, have great cricket brains and are passionate about their country. They will be desperate to help, I am sure.
There is one problem to overcome, in the sense that both Ricky and Justin played in sides who pushed the line pretty hard in their time. They were ruthlessly competitive and were not afraid of a word or two.
It helped them become the best team in the world for that period, but clearly there is going to have to be a shift in attitude and behaviour in the wake of everything that has happened. It will be a challenge for them but they are strong enough characters to take it on - CA needs to send out an SOS sooner rather than later.
This Australia team have disintegrated completely in less than a week. The captain, vice-captain, opening batsman and coach have all gone in the wake of the ball-tampering scandal, and it is right that they have.
What has happened to Australia - a side who were being treated as heroes by their own public just a couple of months ago after they won the Ashes so emphatically - should serve as a reminder to sports teams everywhere that no matter how invulnerable you feel, bad behaviour on the field will catch up with you. Australia's conduct has been poor for years now, and the only way it can change is for a complete clean sweep of people at the top.
Do I have sympathy for the guys who have left? Yes - for most, at least. I first met Darren Lehmann when he joined Yorkshire in 1997 and found him a terrific bloke. He had no trouble in mixing with the guys in the dressing room and brought a real energy to the team. Yes, he played hard and was incredibly focused on winning and being the best he could be, but at no point did I ever suspect he would embrace cheating. In fact, I still do not - I cannot believe that he knew about the plan to tamper with the ball against South Africa in advance. He just is not that sort of character
However, Darren will know as well as anyone that the guy who sets the culture of the team is the coach, so when something like this happens on his watch, he simply has to go. It is brutal - and it did not surprise me that he broke down in tears during his announcement yesterday, because he is that passionate about the sport and his country. But that is the only way Australian cricket can bring about proper change.
It is also why Steve Smith had to go. His press conference yesterday was a seriously tough watch, and he must wonder how it has all gone so horribly wrong so quickly. But he will get the support he needs to come back from this in the coming weeks and months and I cannot believe he will not come back into international cricket when he has served his time and reflected properly on what he did. The same goes for Cameron Bancroft - a young guy who seems to have been leant on.
That cannot be said for David Warner. The revelations from Cricket Australia (CA) on Wednesday that he was the mastermind of the plot and had told Bancroft to cheat were damning. The fact that he had also shown him how to do so - by using sandpaper to scuff one side of the ball - suggests to me that this was not the first time he had done it. All that is a massive black mark against his name.
Sadly for Australia, this story still has some way to run. Warner's comment that he has more to say about the tampering in a few days' time were ominous for CA: now that he has been cut adrift from the national side, he has nothing to lose and they will be nervous about exactly what he might come out with.
In my opinion, Australia should now pay whatever it takes to get Ricky Ponting and Justin Langer to take over and sort out the mess. Both are hugely respected, have great cricket brains and are passionate about their country. They will be desperate to help, I am sure.
There is one problem to overcome, in the sense that both Ricky and Justin played in sides who pushed the line pretty hard in their time. They were ruthlessly competitive and were not afraid of a word or two.
It helped them become the best team in the world for that period, but clearly there is going to have to be a shift in attitude and behaviour in the wake of everything that has happened. It will be a challenge for them but they are strong enough characters to take it on - CA needs to send out an SOS sooner rather than later.
Cricket got worse when we made Warner a test cricketer, and I must say, SS's sooking looked a bit immature to me.
Comparisons to Armstrong and Essendon are spot on. Deliberate premeditated decision by the teams leadership to go out and cheat. They then brought the tools they needed to cheat onto the field.
If Hird and co showed the same remorse as Smith and Bancroft, he'd have received the same sympathy and could well be back coaching Essendon by now.
If Hird and co showed the same remorse as Smith and Bancroft, he'd have received the same sympathy and could well be back coaching Essendon by now.
