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The Big Richo

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Can't understand why someone would object to making the gesture to be honest.

Why would you be against sending a gesture of support to a group of people? I'd assume no-one is actually against the message so I can't see the objection.

It would be like refusing to wear a pink cap at the Sydney test.
 
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MD Jazz

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Can't understand why someone would object to making the gesture to be honest.

Why would you be against sending a gesture of support to a group of people? I'd assume no-one is actually against the message so I can't see the objection.

It would be like refusing to wear a pink cap at the Sydney test.
What is BLM? A group? Or simply a message?
Is it only saying I stand or kneel against racism?
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Why would you be against sending a gesture of support to a group of people? I'd assume no-one is actually against the message so I can't see the objection.
This really belongs on the politics board since BLM is a political movement. Support for BLM implies support for e.g. abolition of police. These things are inextricably intertwined.

One can stand against racism without aligning with a specific political campaign, and an American one at that.

 
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I think it's a bit heavy handed personally. Players aren't told to show respect to their country's national anthem in a specific way, why should they be instructed to show their respect for BLM in a specific way?

And a raised fist is the sign of Black Power, isn't it "cultural misappropriation" for white people to do it?
 

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This really belongs on the politics board since BLM is a political movement. Support for BLM implies support for e.g. abolition of police. These things are inextricably intertwined.

One can stand against racism without aligning with a specific political campaign, and an American one at that.

"Defund the police" doesn't mean abolish them. It means stop giving them military weapons.
 

Brodders17

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This isn't China, you can't force people to show support for political causes they don't believe in. Not a de Kock fan but hope he sues CSA back to the Stone Age.
As always Lee, I agree.
forcing players on a sporting team to take part on any sort of political action demeans the gesture when it is done voluntarily.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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"Defund the police" doesn't mean abolish them. It means stop giving them military weapons.
"Abolish" is frequently used by its supporters in place of "defund". It's a difficult word to misinterpet. Here is one of the BLM founders earlier this year.


"We must fight for abolition because in an abolitionist world we would still have George Floyd and Ma’Khia Bryant."

(Said founder has resigned after controversy over a multi-million dollar real estate buying spree.)
 
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The Big Richo

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This really belongs on the politics board since BLM is a political movement. Support for BLM implies support for e.g. abolition of police. These things are inextricably intertwined.

One can stand against racism without aligning with a specific political campaign, and an American one at that.


I think there are degrees of extremity in every issue and the outliers don't represent the only stance on an issue.

For example I believe we need action on climate change but I don't believe we need to be vegan, hemp wearing, cyclists.

In the same way I absolutely support a more just world for my black brothers and sisters, without supporting the extreme sentiments. I think to most people, that's what BLM means.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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I think there are degrees of extremity in every issue and the outliers don't represent the only stance on an issue.

For example I believe we need action on climate change but I don't believe we need to be vegan, hemp wearing, cyclists.

In the same way I absolutely support a more just world for my black brothers and sisters, without supporting the extreme sentiments. I think to most people, that's what BLM means.
It's right there in the link to the BLM website - Trump this, Republicans that. It's overtly political. I see it as justification for disenchanted blacks to riot, loot, burn and sometimes kill. I would never support that and you'd have to shoot me before I kneel in support of that.

Apparently de Kock sees it as a throwaway gesture that doesn't mean anything. He opposes racism in the way he conducts himself daily. Which is far more practical and useful than any virtue-signalling gesture, however well-intentioned.

I don't understand why they're kneeling before every match, either. It's like they're serving chronic penance for something. Once each at the start of the tournament is enough.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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As for Tony Armstrong who was half an AFL footballer labelling a man who has led his nation "racist" based on nothing but assumption - apologise please before the ABC is defending another defamation action with taxpayers' money.
 
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tigerman

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Australia v Sri Lanka tonight, Finch and Warner are well over due for some runs. Josh Inglis is waiting in the wings, he's a huge talent, i'm a big fan.
 

MD Jazz

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Good statement by QDC. Ridiculous that they find out the directive on the way to the game. His reaction shouldn't be taken as anything more than disappointment at the process itself and the lack of planning. Sounds like discussion and engagement doesn't happen much in Sth African cricket.

Kneeling should simply be a supportive statement against racism. Not as support for a quasi political movement with potentially more extended intentions.

I support the kneeling as a "stand" against racism.
 
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