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Wow, the turning on Ponting is staggering. Cannot understand it.

Let's see how Tugga Waugh, Tubby Taylor or AB goes with pretty much a average Sheffield Shield attack.

To me the biggest concern is the fielding. If we took half our chances this series would be so different.

Catches win matches. Runouts win matches. Taking your chances. We have created enough chances to be right in this.
 
Tigerbob said:
A new captain needs to be developed. To be totally frank, Ponting has not been a success as captain. We are now at our lowest ebb since the late 80's and we look left and right and see no future in sight.

If it were up to me, the only players to be retained in our test team for the next tour would be Watson, Haddin, Siddell, Harris. So for our next captain, we have to look outside the square. Someone young enough to contribute to our next era, but someone with a bit of experience and natural leadership.

Let me watch a summer of state cricket before I give you a definite answer.

One things for sure, what needs to be done is a total blow up of this cricketing side.

We are impotent in our bowling, and disgraceful in our batting. Our fielding is now a laughable part of our game. Ricky's field placings and decisions have been beyond questionable. He looks like a defeated man with no answers. If he had any idea for whats best for our nation, not for himself, he would stand down himself. This isn't about being a quitter, but doing what's best for Australian Cricket.
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If Ponting was to stand down now as you say we would need a captain next week not at the end of the summer Bobby Lock.

Whilst it hasnt all been smooth sailing not sure how Ponting hasnt been a success as a captain.
Do you think our next captain would be a success if he -

- Led us to 2 World Cups including never been beaten in 23 world cup matches as the leader. (staggering)

- Man of the series as captain of an ashes side.

- ICC captain of the year.

- Twice ICC player of the year when captain.

- Named Captain of Australia's greatest ever One day team.

- Most consecutive test wins as captain.

Sure he has his faults mate, but to label him as not a success is wrong.
 
SCOOP said:
Wow, the turning on Ponting is staggering. Cannot understand it.

Let's see how Tugga Waugh, Tubby Taylor or AB goes with pretty much a average Sheffield Shield attack.

To me the biggest concern is the fielding. If we took half our chances this series would be so different.

Catches win matches. Runouts win matches. Taking your chances. We have created enough chances to be right in this.
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Ah Scoop. The voice of reason.
 
jb03 said:
He would captain them far better.

You can defend him all you want because he is Tasmanian but anyone with any knowledge of the game can see his captaincy is poor in relation to his predecessors.
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No doubt but Ponting is still the best choice as skipper.
 
SCOOP said:
Wow, the turning on Ponting is staggering. Cannot understand it.

Let's see how Tugga Waugh, Tubby Taylor or AB goes with pretty much a average Sheffield Shield attack.

To me the biggest concern is the fielding. If we took half our chances this series would be so different.

Catches win matches. Runouts win matches. Taking your chances. We have created enough chances to be right in this.
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Cannot agree.

Englands last two innings we have not looked like taking wickets. We are 5 for almost 1000 runs. How is this acceptable? We had Cook batting for more than 21 hours at the crease before we have got him out. That is beyond pathetic and damning.

Ponting has also got to take some blame in captaining as you said a Sheffield Shield side. There has been no development under his captaincy. None. We have gone backwards at a rapid rate.

Alan Border wouldn't stand for it. Tubby would not have stood for it. We all know Waugh would have definitely not stood for it. Border was in a similar predicament. Go back and see what was done with him.

Where there is smoke there is fire, and there has been continual smoke around Ponting playing favorites and you have to be one of Ricky's boys to be selected in the national side. Makes you wonder.

Time to blow it up and re launch cricket again. I could handle the smackings we are getting if there was direction in what we are doing. Play the kids, it doesn't get worse than what I am witnessing now.
 
SCOOP said:
Wow, the turning on Ponting is staggering. Cannot understand it.

Let's see how Tugga Waugh, Tubby Taylor or AB goes with pretty much a average Sheffield Shield attack.

To me the biggest concern is the fielding. If we took half our chances this series would be so different.

Catches win matches. Runouts win matches. Taking your chances. We have created enough chances to be right in this.
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It has indeed. I dont blame Ponting at all. Its sort of people glorifying premiership coaches as the messiah when in fact an other AFL coach could have coached Brisbane and Geelong to the same success during their reigns.
 
Tigerbob said:
If it were up to me, the only players to be retained in our test team for the next tour would be Watson, Haddin, Siddell, Harris.
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So Siddle stays on the back of one good innings. Hilf goes on the back of one bad test. Harris hasn't even finished his first innings in his first test, gets belted, and he's a keeper. Writing off our most consistant bowler of the last three or four years is a bit premature, at only 27 years old, the Hilf will be around longer than Harris in the baggy green as Harris is a 31 year old with bad knees.

In sticking up for Ben, I also admit Siddle, Douggy and Harris fully deserve their place in the team for this test. Hilf didn't bowl well last game and deserved to have a rest, but he'll be back.
 
Tigerbob said:
Cannot agree.

Englands last two innings we have not looked like taking wickets. We are 5 for almost 1000 runs. How is this acceptable? We had Cook batting for more than 21 hours at the crease before we have got him out. That is beyond pathetic and damning.

Ponting has also got to take some blame in captaining as you said a Sheffield Shield side. There has been no development under his captaincy. None. We have gone backwards at a rapid rate.

Alan Border wouldn't stand for it. Tubby would not have stood for it. We all know Waugh would have definitely not stood for it. Border was in a similar predicament. Go back and see what was done with him.

Where there is smoke there is fire, and there has been continual smoke around Ponting playing favorites and you have to be one of Ricky's boys to be selected in the national side. Makes you wonder.

Time to blow it up and re launch cricket again. I could handle the smackings we are getting if there was direction in what we are doing. Play the kids, it doesn't get worse than what I am witnessing now.
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Couldn't disagree more.

Cook is having a historic series thus far. Is in rare touch, looks like Dravid at the minute. Just dominate.

How Ponting can be held responsible for not having bowlers at his disposal is beyond me. He can only work with what he has.

We were always going to go backwards at a rapid rate. We hit the jackpot with Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Waugh, Hayden and Ponting. We had 6 all time greats in the side and thought the gravy train would just roll on and we would keep producing them. Well it doesn't happen and that is not the skippers issue. Cricket Australia should have put better planning in place to ensure the dropoff wasn't so steep.

What would any other skipper have done? You are only as good as those in your XI.

The favourite issue is laughable, who has been kept out of the side? Who is banging down the door? And I agree that Marcus North has to go but no one is demanding the spot.

I think you are confusing the issues that CA have in provding the right pathway and resources to give the Aussie Skipper the best players possible as opposed to the Aussie Skipper being given sub standard players to work with because of CA's issues.

You cannot turn sh*te into strwaberries.
 
SCOOP said:
Wow, the turning on Ponting is staggering. Cannot understand it.

Let's see how Tugga Waugh, Tubby Taylor or AB goes with pretty much a average Sheffield Shield attack.

To me the biggest concern is the fielding. If we took half our chances this series would be so different.

Catches win matches. Runouts win matches. Taking your chances. We have created enough chances to be right in this.
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Simply talking about his captaincy scoop. I'm surprised you are satisfied with it. This will be 3 ashes series he loses if he loses this one, including one with McGrath and Warne. Has any other captain for either England or Aust captained 3 losing Ashes series including losing them twice?
 
snaps truly said:
So Siddle stays on the back of one good innings. Hilf goes on the back of one bad test. Harris hasn't even finished his first innings in his first test, gets belted, and he's a keeper. Writing off our most consistant bowler of the last three or four years is a bit premature, at only 27 years old, the Hilf will be around longer than Harris in the baggy green as Harris is a 31 year old with bad knees.

In sticking up for Ben, I also admit Siddle, Douggy and Harris fully deserve their place in the team for this test. Hilf didn't bowl well last game and deserved to have a rest, but he'll be back.
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lol Relax. I was talking about from the team out there at the moment.
 
Tigerbob said:
Cannot agree.

Englands last two innings we have not looked like taking wickets. We are 5 for almost 1000 runs. How is this acceptable? We had Cook batting for more than 21 hours at the crease before we have got him out. That is beyond pathetic and damning.

Ponting has also got to take some blame in captaining as you said a Sheffield Shield side. There has been no development under his captaincy. None. We have gone backwards at a rapid rate.

Alan Border wouldn't stand for it. Tubby would not have stood for it. We all know Waugh would have definitely not stood for it. Border was in a similar predicament. Go back and see what was done with him.

Where there is smoke there is fire, and there has been continual smoke around Ponting playing favorites and you have to be one of Ricky's boys to be selected in the national side. Makes you wonder.

Time to blow it up and re launch cricket again. I could handle the smackings we are getting if there was direction in what we are doing. Play the kids, it doesn't get worse than what I am witnessing now.
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They will ask Ponting for his opinion but he isnt even a selector Bobster.

He's got enough on his plate without scouring the country looking for the best young talent to bring in.
 
jb03 said:
Simply talking about his captaincy scoop. I'm surprised you are satisfied with it. This will be 3 ashes series he loses if he loses this one, including one with McGrath and Warne. Has any other captain for either England or Aust captained 3 losing Ashes series including losing them twice?
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This.

Talk to Warne about what he thinks of Ponting as captain. One of the great cricketing minds is Warne.

I always liked Ponting the player, but I struggle to think how people can say time is not up? What are people hanging onto? When I talk about his captaincy being a failure, you judge a captaincy by the legacy he leaves. Right now, he leaves us in dire straights. I think it is laughable and very niave for people to think the Aussie cricket captain has little say in the team that goes out. Ponting has a massive say.

You want one example of a guy who wasn't a Ponting mate who knocked down the door but was harshly treated Scoop? Brad Hodge.
 
Would like to see someone brought in that is averaging more than 22 in the shield this season.
Especially with the next test at Perth where his weakness against short bowling would be further exposed.

Ferguson a definate for North & possibly Khawaja for Clarke would be the changes navy would make to the batting lineup.

Maddinson the guy to keep a very close eye on.
 
In regards to Phil Hughes there mate, bit of a short sighted view.

He needs to be played and developed playing for the country.

I agree with Mad being carefully looked at, and yep bring in the young ones. Any young talent deemed talented enough to play for Australia, bring them in. Stark, Pattinson and a couple of other quicks need to be looked at too.

Time for a change.
 
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