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I liked Krazier's (sp?) comments last night.
He said the batsman don't score runs and keep their spots while the bowlers pass through a rotating turnstile.
Sad funny but true.
He said the batsman don't score runs and keep their spots while the bowlers pass through a rotating turnstile.
Sad funny but true.
2 questions:
1. why isn't cam white being considered? i'd put him ahead of kawaja and ferguson in experience and leadership skills and he's still only 27. he has a better batting record than ferguson as well i believe.
2. with the warne debate - it's a simple argument really...what is more important?
a: winning the ashes?
b: blooding the next generation?
1. why isn't cam white being considered? i'd put him ahead of kawaja and ferguson in experience and leadership skills and he's still only 27. he has a better batting record than ferguson as well i believe.
2. with the warne debate - it's a simple argument really...what is more important?
a: winning the ashes?
b: blooding the next generation?
Ian4 said:
What next generation, of English test batsmen?
That is about all we will be blooding on what I have seen.
The Warne idea is an embarrassment.
1. As if the money they could raise will make a difference to his bank account.
2. He won't make a difference given the chasm between these teams.
3. It would be a humiliating admission of failure.
Better to go in with four quicks if we can't find a decent spinner.
1. As if the money they could raise will make a difference to his bank account.
2. He won't make a difference given the chasm between these teams.
3. It would be a humiliating admission of failure.
Better to go in with four quicks if we can't find a decent spinner.
Khwaja 53 in the first inings, Ferguson 50 odd not out in their second dig, Hauritz 146 and no wickets off 23 overs. Geeze I hope Ferguson makes a big one.
One thing I have noticed with our batting recently is that we don’t score fast enough. If we don’t lose a wicket for a session we will make 2.50 runs an over. While the Poms will make 4 an over. As we know cricket is a game of momentum, you have to grab the game when you are on top.
In the past we would score over 4 an over with, Haydos, Punter, Gilly and even Langer scoring freely. Now we have Katich, Clarke, Hussey and North all plodding away. With Punter’s recent form he is only just plodding along. Watson and Haddon would be the 2 bats the Poms would be most worried about as they can score freely.
So if we do get our bowling line up sorted and take the required 20 wickets, we still won’t be able to capitalise in many games as we are not scoring fast enough to get wins rather than draws.3
So I would pick Hughes to open who can score freely once he gets going and White at 6 who will pick up our run rate when required.
In the past we would score over 4 an over with, Haydos, Punter, Gilly and even Langer scoring freely. Now we have Katich, Clarke, Hussey and North all plodding away. With Punter’s recent form he is only just plodding along. Watson and Haddon would be the 2 bats the Poms would be most worried about as they can score freely.
So if we do get our bowling line up sorted and take the required 20 wickets, we still won’t be able to capitalise in many games as we are not scoring fast enough to get wins rather than draws.3
So I would pick Hughes to open who can score freely once he gets going and White at 6 who will pick up our run rate when required.
jb03 said:
Thats true to an extent, but there's also reasons for it. It happens the world over not just here.
1) Batsman can be playing well but one bad shot see's them out. Bowlers also have lucky & unlucky days wicket wise, but the biggy is their form is there for all to see all day. Is he moving it, troubling the batsman, pace etc.
2) Pitches - bowlers come into & out of sides due to pitch conditions. Pitches suit certain bowlers.
3) Conditions - i.e Overhead skies are condusive to swing. It s not coincidence Hilfy was the leading wickets taker for all sides in the ashes. Likewise Alderman would come from nowhere to be the frontline bowler for every tour of England. Opposite rules apply for sub-continent.
4) Because there are no overriding circumstances batsman have no alibi's like above. When a batsman is dropped at an older age it is the end of his career. Big call to make & selectors need to be sure when they do. Hussey this series is an example.
In a nutshell even though it is the same game they are completely different crafts & need to be treated that way.
MB78 said:
I think the scoring rate comparisons are also reflective of the quality of the bowling attacks. with our bowlers not swinging the ball and bowling both sides of the wicket, it gives the batsmen more opportunities to score. That has been part of the problem with johnson- no consistency and therefore the pressure gets released. Our recent opposition have had superior bowling attacks to us and as a result, it is more difficult for us to score. Also, our guys are susceptible to the swinging ball and aren't (in general) great players of spin, hence we get tied up a bit. Anderson when on song is arguably in the top couple of swing bowlers in the world, whilst Graeme Swan is probably the best spinner. It used to be us who had the best attack, but times have changed unfortunately.
Punxsutawney Phil said:
:cutelaugh
I see Gatting has said Ponting should step aside from the captaincy to prolong his career.
I disagree with him as Ricky has had no issues scoring runs as captain previously.
Forget averaging 40 the past couple of years, that's what is to be expected at the very least from a guy who earns over $3mil a season with the ACB.
As our formerly elite bat, now is absolutely the time he needs to stand up and lead from the front not just as a skipper but as a batsman.
Cheap runs to sustain a moderate average will not cut it at this late stage of his career.
A couple more failures this series and he might get a tap on the shoulder and it won't be about the captaincy.
The heat is well and truly on Punter.
These twits that say Ponting should step aside to prolong his career should look to the history of the Australian captaincy.
Leaving the captaincy kills your test career. Apart from the odd fill-in captain, no fromer Australian captain has again played test cricket. Your career leaves with you in a wooden box so to speak.
I haven't checked it out, but Bob Simpson might be the only exception to this rule.
Leaving the captaincy kills your test career. Apart from the odd fill-in captain, no fromer Australian captain has again played test cricket. Your career leaves with you in a wooden box so to speak.
I haven't checked it out, but Bob Simpson might be the only exception to this rule.
Streak said:
I reckon you are right Streak. If you go back to Hughes and Chappell swapping over the captaincy all the time, it was a complete disaster, and when Chappell played under Hughes in his last series (even though the Aussies won) it was difficult for Kim having him still in the side. Hasn't happened since. we have been pretty fortunate with the longevity of our captains since then, and the fact that they were able to each retire while the side was still playing good cricket.
NI reckon once ponting is no longer captain, he will no longer be in the side.