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Streak said:
Also on Clarke, why would he drop himself down the order?

Why not go up the order an open. He has done so before and is quite serviceable.

He is not an explosive batsman, so I don't think he is suited to anywhere below 4, but he can accumulate runs with singles and twos at a run a ball.

He'd be better doing that for us as an opener rather than scratching for runs lower down the order when we need some big clean hitting.

he dropped down the order bc they decided after one game marsh was the answer, even though before that he wasnt good enough to make the world cup squad.

but yes, it may be worth opening clarke and dropping haddin down the order.

credit to smith today. he had an allround good game.
 
Brodders17 said:
he dropped down the order bc they decided after one game marsh was the answer, even though before that he wasnt good enough to make the world cup squad.

Wasnt so much that Marsh was the answer but that they wanted the middle order setup as close as possible to what it will be in the world cup.

I.E Clarke 4, White 5, D.Hussey 6 (which will be 7 if his brother comes back).

By the way will be interesting to see the criticism here of White's scoring rate this series judging by what Clarke's rightly copped tonight.
 
Navy Days said:
Wasnt so much that Marsh was the answer but that they wanted the middle order setup as close as possible to what it will be in the world cup.

I.E Clarke 4, White 5, D.Hussey 6 (which will be 7 if his brother comes back).

By the way will be interesting to see the criticism here of White's scoring rate this series judging by what Clarke's rightly copped tonight.

White struggled by starting his innings with the slow bowlers on. Most scoring by both sides was done when the quicks were on. White generally takes time to get going, his timing is pretty ordinary at the start of his innings. He can score quickly though once "in" - much quicker than Clarke.

Clarke was simply poor, the commentators were trying to support him but again he fails with a forcing shot. He is out of form and confidence and needs a rest - how many chances does he get? Will be a great achievement if he can have a decent world cup with this lead up.

Smith - when will he find the middle? No footwork will surely bring about his demise - Brett Lee showed more as a hitter

Watson/Lee/Ponting and probably Haddin need to have to have massive World Cup campaigns for us to have any chance
 
Big Cat Lover said:
Smith - when will he find the middle? No footwork will surely bring about his demise - Brett Lee showed more as a hitter

I am amazed at Smith's footwork. He must have a great eye to have made it to Shield level with a reputation for being able to bat, let alone to the Australian team.
 
Navy Days said:
Wasnt so much that Marsh was the answer but that they wanted the middle order setup as close as possible to what it will be in the world cup.

I.E Clarke 4, White 5, D.Hussey 6 (which will be 7 if his brother comes back).

By the way will be interesting to see the criticism here of White's scoring rate this series judging by what Clarke's rightly copped tonight.
Unfortunately White is over rated. Strangely for a player of his 20/20 reputation his best ODI efforts were when he subbed in at 3 for Ponting.

Also oddly Marsh made his ton batting in the middle order then promoted him to 3. And he opens for WA.
 
mld said:
I've been disappointed in White so far this series.

he has been far from his best but in fairness to him he had played 2 important innings in oz's 3 wins.
in the first match he scored a run a ball 25 to put on 60 in 7 overs with watson so bring victory, then in the 2nd onedayer he came in with the score at 3 for 21 and was the only one of the top 9 to offer marsh any support.

jb03 said:
Unfortunately White is over rated. Strangely for a player of his 20/20 reputation his best ODI efforts were when he subbed in at 3 for Ponting.

i think white is a better one day player than 20/20. as phil said he takes a while to get his eye in. in onedayers he can do this and normally still have time tof insih with a high strike rate. 20/20s he doenst normally have that chance. maybe why he has his best record betting 3 as well.
 
Navy Days said:
Wasnt so much that Marsh was the answer but that they wanted the middle order setup as close as possible to what it will be in the world cup.

I.E Clarke 4, White 5, D.Hussey 6 (which will be 7 if his brother comes back).

By the way will be interesting to see the criticism here of White's scoring rate this series judging by what Clarke's rightly copped tonight.

clarke was quoted before game 3 as saying marsh was in form so they wanted him higher in the order. but yes getting the rest of the order settled may be part of it.

re whites scoring rate, as i said in the previous post, 2 of whites innings have been crucial, firstly a run a ball 25, then a 'slow' 40odd, but that slow 40odd was a very good innings in the circumstances. game 4 he again came in at a time when oz didnt want to lose wickets, he steadied for a while, but couldnt get going.
 
Finally got a collect on the Poms last night.Result flattered us & highlighted our weaknesses.Question remain on many of the team.
 
mld said:
I've been disappointed in White so far this series.
Poms have bowled really well to him. They know not to pitch the ball up as he can be really destrictive hitting the pitched up ball . Tuck him up , short of a length with no width and he hasn't got the shot range.
That and he seems to be out of form a bit as well but he fights which is more than can be said for a lot of them.
Not sure why they don't field him in slips as well . Easily the best 1st slipper in Australia , never drops a catch. Watson seems to have that gig.
 
Big Cat Lover said:
White struggled by starting his innings with the slow bowlers on.

Hopefully that wasnt the reason Big Cat. Because thats what he's going to face in the world cup.

& the quality of the slow bowling he is going to be far higher than Collingwood, Yardy & Trott.

He just needs that bit more urgency about him to turn the strike over when frst in. His Bushrangers teammate David Hussey is an example of a player he could learn off in this facet of the game.


Sintiger said:
Poms have bowled really well to him. They know not to pitch the ball up as he can be really destrictive hitting the pitched up ball . Tuck him up , short of a length with no width and he hasn't got the shot range.
That and he seems to be out of form a bit as well but he fights which is more than can be said for a lot of them.
Not sure why they don't field him in slips as well . Easily the best 1st slipper in Australia , never drops a catch. Watson seems to have that gig.

Navy agrees with Sintiger. They have bowled short of a length into the body which has cramped him as he likes to roll onto the front foot & hit through the ball.

White takes a hell of a lot of responsibility on his shoulders when he takes so long to get moving through his gears. If he gets out like he did yesterday before he starts to up the ante it means he's put his team too far behind the run-rate by his slow scoring for his team to be a chance.

That way of batting is fine early in your innings if your partner is keeping things moving. Unfortunately when Watson got out White needed to keep the tempo of the innings moving.

Clarke as well is doing the same but doesnt have the "gears" White does.

Also agree White is the better slipper. One of the best in the land. Watson is likely fielding there as he's too slow in the field & given his workload this summer they are trying to keep him exerting as little energy as possible.
 
Navy Days said:
He just needs that bit more urgency about him to turn the strike over when frst in. His Bushrangers teammate David Hussey is an example of a player he could learn off in this facet of the game.

im not sure it is a lack of urgency on whites behalf, more an inability to work the ball into gaps. he relies on his hitting to score.
 
Brodders17 said:
im not sure it is a lack of urgency on whites behalf, more an inability to work the ball into gaps. he relies on his hitting to score.

Perhaps Brodders.

Its definately something he has to improve upon if he's to bat in the middle order.
 
Well its been a very successful Big bash for the followers. Lets see if we can get another winner tonight.

Tas at home to WA in a cut throat match with the winner through to the pre-final.

Tasmania horrible at home to a good SA outfit last match will find this a lot easier. especially with WA sans Gayle.

The home team normally stand up when important games come round so should be too good tonight.

We're on @ the $1.70.
 
Just on tonights match. Can the person who is smarter than navy tell him why CA yet again knocked back Tasmania's request for Paine to play.

When he does finally get to play a game of cricket he'll be rustier navy on a Sunday morning.
 
Geez navy you've laid a bet before the game starts.
Is this a new year's resolution?

On Paine, I've no idea how anyone could fathom the minds of crickets finest administrators.
They're not hampered in any way by intelligence.
 
Navy Days said:
Well its been a very successful Big bash for the followers. Lets see if we can get another winner tonight.

Tas at home to WA in a cut throat match with the winner through to the pre-final.

Tasmania horrible at home to a good SA outfit last match will find this a lot easier. especially with WA sans Gayle.

The home team normally stand up when important games come round so should be too good tonight.

We're on @ the $1.70.

That means anyone can answer! Did CA give a reason?



Just on the Big bash results, it was reported that for every game of the series, the prepost outsider has won all but two.
 
poppa x said:
Geez navy you've laid a bet before the game starts.
Is this a new year's resolution?

On Paine, I've no idea how anyone could fathom the minds of crickets finest administrators.
They're not hampered in any way by intelligence.

makes no sense re:Paine does it.

& would never be so rude so as to be late with the good mail for the loyal followers Poppa. Always pre-match.
 
jb03 said:
That means anyone can answer! Did CA give a reason?

Na was on Tasmanian cirickets facebooks page that they were unsuccesful in their appeal to have Paine play. Didnt say why.

jb03 said:
Just on the Big bash results, it was reported that for every game of the series, the prepost outsider has won all but two.

Is that right. Probably wouldnt be far from correct on first thoughts actually.

One partnership or good couple of overs can win a game so is fairly volatile.