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tigerfan1961 said:
Regardless of the cattle playing the game, it still needs to be administered well.
It needs to grow, and elite Australian cricket needs to have better designed itineries and development to ensure it grows.
Cricket is in a process of enormous change.
With the right direction, it might go up.
However, unfortunately, cricket in Australia is heading in the same direction as tennis did during the 60s & 70s.
All the money is being bled at the top end, and little of it is going into the grassroots.
Also see that in view of Tasmania now being the undisputed heartbeat of Australian cricket the Argus report recommend to move CA headquarters to the Apple Isle.
Interesting.
Interesting.
The selectors getting it wrong is a by product. Cricket as a sport is fundamentally dying in Australia.
Does this report indicate that?
Does this report indicate that?
Agree Tooheys re:selectors. Things are deper than that.
Waugh, Taylor & Border interviewed 61 people within the industry so you imagine it would be far reaching.
Waugh, Taylor & Border interviewed 61 people within the industry so you imagine it would be far reaching.
Leysy Days said:
A small pool is getting smaller daisy. Once a bat and ball was staple but cricket is just one of a gazillion things for young kids to do these days.
It's lost it's appeal and is unlikely to get it back.
Send the bill to Tigers_of_Old@PRE.
Link to a good article outlaying the report -
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/marsh-may-get-top-role-20110819-1j2i7.html
Marsh may get top role
Chloe Saltau
August 20, 2011
Rod Marsh is believed to have expressed interest in the chairman's job.
Rod Marsh is believed to have expressed interest in the chairman's job. Photo: Vince Caligiuri
ROD Marsh looms as a potential replacement for departing chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch and Australia will conduct a global search for a head coach to share the selection duties, but the problems revealed by the Don Argus report run far too deep to be solved by a few good men.
The report penned by Argus exposes a system fallen into desperate disrepair, depicting a broken pathway from backyard to baggy green, a weak team culture, a contract system that pays players more than they are worth and a management team that has taken its eye off the ball in the most alarming way.
It proposes a dramatic restructure, starting with selection, designed to take Australia back to the top of the cricket world within four years.
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A striking theme is accountability. This is behind the decision to add the captain and coach to a five-man selection panel, which will ignite fierce debate.
So, too, will a proposal to move away from a fixed share of revenue for player payments.
The report proposes a new contract system under which players' salaries would be linked to wins and personal rankings, with ''a premium on Tests''. ''This means Australian players will be paid more when the team is (and they are) performing well and less when it isn't (and they aren't),'' the report said.
The players' union last night said it was open to discussions aimed at making Australian cricket strong again, but would fight to keep the players' 26 per cent share of revenue.
Current coach Tim Nielsen can apply for the head coach's job but he is not favoured to get it, with fielding coach Steve Rixon and former South African mentor Mickey Arthur expected to be interested in a position that will wield greater power than before.
''In my time in cricket administration, it is probably the biggest chestnut, there's been a change of view on whether coaches and captains should be selectors many times,'' Cricket Australia chairman Jack Clarke said.
''I think the three [former] captains on [the review panel] probably would've had a certain view at one stage, interestingly they all came to the view to make that person accountable and the structures are all about accountability. To make those people accountable they need to be selectors, and the board accepted that.''
Argus said the move should promote ''adult conversations'' between players and selectors. ''Normally communication solves most insecurities, and if we achieve that, that will be a huge step forward.''
However, the arrangement has caused problems in the past, such as when Michael Slater felt he could not confide in his captain during the 2001 Ashes.
Marsh is believed to be keen on the chairman's job, which is at last a full-time position. Trevor Hohns, just returned to Queensland cricket, could also be considered.
Overseeing these roles will be a general manager, team performance, the equivalent of England's team director, Hugh Morris. The report says the new appointments should be made before the home summer, but Argus warned it could take 18 months to ''see the seeds of anything really changing''.
Greg Chappell was stripped of his selection role and may choose to relinquish his duties as national talent manager, too.
The unpopular Hilditch, who presided over confusing selections culminating with the sacking of Simon Katich, defended himself to the end.
''They were always going to be difficult years as chairman with the exodus of so many great players but I have given it my all and always acted to the best of my ability to achieve the best outcome for Australian cricket,'' he said. ''I look forward to spending a lot more time with family and friends and my growing legal practice. It has been a privilege and an honour to serve Australian cricket.''
The report said the two part-time selectors ideally should be independent of the states, so South Australia's Jamie Cox may also lose his job.
The report also revealed how far the Australian team had strayed from the basics in batting, bowling, fielding and general athleticism: ''This has extra significance as in the panel's view fielding standards reflect the attitude and professionalism of the team.''
The rebuild starts now.
SHORT-TERM STEPS
Recruit a general manager (team performance) to oversee the team, coaching, selection and Centre of Excellence.
Restructure selection panel to include a full-time chairman, the captain, coach and two independent part-timers.
Appoint a head coach in an elevated role who can delegate to other coaches for some ODI and T20 series.
LONG-TERM STEPS
Retain a 10-round Sheffield Shield competition with multiple rounds before the first Test of each summer.
Review the Futures League, restore grade cricket, review underage competitions and ramp up Australia A as a genuine second XI.
Review first-class pitches to ensure a balance between bat and ball, each with unique, Test-like conditions.
Improve injury management.
Improve coaching.
Reduce the number of Cricket Australia contracts and link pay to performance, emphasising Test performances as the most important.
Carefully assess Big Bash League private ownership so it does not compromise ambitions to be No. 1 Test nation.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/marsh-may-get-top-role-20110819-1j2i7.html#ixzz1VUTSUS6g
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/marsh-may-get-top-role-20110819-1j2i7.html
Marsh may get top role
Chloe Saltau
August 20, 2011
Rod Marsh is believed to have expressed interest in the chairman's job.
Rod Marsh is believed to have expressed interest in the chairman's job. Photo: Vince Caligiuri
ROD Marsh looms as a potential replacement for departing chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch and Australia will conduct a global search for a head coach to share the selection duties, but the problems revealed by the Don Argus report run far too deep to be solved by a few good men.
The report penned by Argus exposes a system fallen into desperate disrepair, depicting a broken pathway from backyard to baggy green, a weak team culture, a contract system that pays players more than they are worth and a management team that has taken its eye off the ball in the most alarming way.
It proposes a dramatic restructure, starting with selection, designed to take Australia back to the top of the cricket world within four years.
Advertisement: Story continues below
A striking theme is accountability. This is behind the decision to add the captain and coach to a five-man selection panel, which will ignite fierce debate.
So, too, will a proposal to move away from a fixed share of revenue for player payments.
The report proposes a new contract system under which players' salaries would be linked to wins and personal rankings, with ''a premium on Tests''. ''This means Australian players will be paid more when the team is (and they are) performing well and less when it isn't (and they aren't),'' the report said.
The players' union last night said it was open to discussions aimed at making Australian cricket strong again, but would fight to keep the players' 26 per cent share of revenue.
Current coach Tim Nielsen can apply for the head coach's job but he is not favoured to get it, with fielding coach Steve Rixon and former South African mentor Mickey Arthur expected to be interested in a position that will wield greater power than before.
''In my time in cricket administration, it is probably the biggest chestnut, there's been a change of view on whether coaches and captains should be selectors many times,'' Cricket Australia chairman Jack Clarke said.
''I think the three [former] captains on [the review panel] probably would've had a certain view at one stage, interestingly they all came to the view to make that person accountable and the structures are all about accountability. To make those people accountable they need to be selectors, and the board accepted that.''
Argus said the move should promote ''adult conversations'' between players and selectors. ''Normally communication solves most insecurities, and if we achieve that, that will be a huge step forward.''
However, the arrangement has caused problems in the past, such as when Michael Slater felt he could not confide in his captain during the 2001 Ashes.
Marsh is believed to be keen on the chairman's job, which is at last a full-time position. Trevor Hohns, just returned to Queensland cricket, could also be considered.
Overseeing these roles will be a general manager, team performance, the equivalent of England's team director, Hugh Morris. The report says the new appointments should be made before the home summer, but Argus warned it could take 18 months to ''see the seeds of anything really changing''.
Greg Chappell was stripped of his selection role and may choose to relinquish his duties as national talent manager, too.
The unpopular Hilditch, who presided over confusing selections culminating with the sacking of Simon Katich, defended himself to the end.
''They were always going to be difficult years as chairman with the exodus of so many great players but I have given it my all and always acted to the best of my ability to achieve the best outcome for Australian cricket,'' he said. ''I look forward to spending a lot more time with family and friends and my growing legal practice. It has been a privilege and an honour to serve Australian cricket.''
The report said the two part-time selectors ideally should be independent of the states, so South Australia's Jamie Cox may also lose his job.
The report also revealed how far the Australian team had strayed from the basics in batting, bowling, fielding and general athleticism: ''This has extra significance as in the panel's view fielding standards reflect the attitude and professionalism of the team.''
The rebuild starts now.
SHORT-TERM STEPS
Recruit a general manager (team performance) to oversee the team, coaching, selection and Centre of Excellence.
Restructure selection panel to include a full-time chairman, the captain, coach and two independent part-timers.
Appoint a head coach in an elevated role who can delegate to other coaches for some ODI and T20 series.
LONG-TERM STEPS
Retain a 10-round Sheffield Shield competition with multiple rounds before the first Test of each summer.
Review the Futures League, restore grade cricket, review underage competitions and ramp up Australia A as a genuine second XI.
Review first-class pitches to ensure a balance between bat and ball, each with unique, Test-like conditions.
Improve injury management.
Improve coaching.
Reduce the number of Cricket Australia contracts and link pay to performance, emphasising Test performances as the most important.
Carefully assess Big Bash League private ownership so it does not compromise ambitions to be No. 1 Test nation.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/marsh-may-get-top-role-20110819-1j2i7.html#ixzz1VUTSUS6g
We all new Hilditch was a dud but Greg Chappell seems the biggest loser to me. Doesn't seem to be rated by many at all - the INdians might have been right about him.
Sutherland somehow seems to have escaped much scrutiny.
LOL at some of the long term steps: "improve coaching", "improve injury management". Please.
Sutherland somehow seems to have escaped much scrutiny.
LOL at some of the long term steps: "improve coaching", "improve injury management". Please.
In India kids play cricket in the street, in the park, wherever they can, for hours on end, like we did, because we didn't have X-Boxes. Agree with you and Phanto's statement that cricket is going the way of tennis. A damn shame but it's a big ask to reverse the tide.Tigers of Old said:
On the report, the insistence state players play grade cricket is a good move. Blokes like Cam White thought they were too good for it. I'd like to see national team players playing more Shield but that's unlikely given international fixtures.
What about those Poms. Watched the highlights this morning of Bell and Pietersen taking apart an admittedly second-rate Indian attack (toothless without Zaheer and Harbhajan). Bell's driving is a thing of beauty and Pietersen is Destructor. No one can bowl in his mind, and he proves himself right with audacity and panache. Deadset gun. With Strauss and Cook at the top, Trott to slot back in and a list that bats to number 10, not to mention their bowling, they'll be hard to beat for a few years yet. Still young and hungry, compared to the all-too-comfortable Indians who are happy to be gods in their own country. Ishant Sharma is a shadow of the rising star we saw here a few years back. But they have enormous depth of talent that we can't hope to match. If cricket keeps losing the likes of Coniglio to footy, as it does nine times out of ten, it's a fair dung ball to roll up Mt Everest.
The Herald Sun highlighted some parts of the inquest. Batting for long periods, batting against the moving ball and spin and batting in partnerships are issues. With the bowling , bowling pressure, bowling to a plan, spin and swing bowling are issues.
Well knock me down with a feather, they are some remarkable findings! Speak to any cricket watcher and they could have told you that in 5 minutes.
We know the problems, how are we going to fix em?
Well knock me down with a feather, they are some remarkable findings! Speak to any cricket watcher and they could have told you that in 5 minutes.
We know the problems, how are we going to fix em?
Leysy Days said:
Yet those who allowed this to happen are still there and indeed presiding over the implementation. Thankfully Ian Chappell is saying much the same thing:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/problems-within-cricket-australia-says-ian-chappell/story-e6frf9if-1226119687380
Yeah OK now *smile* off and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Ian Chappell says problems lie in Cricket Australia
Sydney Morning Herald
August 22nd, 2011
Former Test captain Ian Chappell believes the fact Cricket Australia needed the Argus Report to point out problems, highlights what's wrong within the game's administration.
The report, released on Friday, tabled several recommendations to revitalise the game at the highest level as Australia tries to regain its status as the world's best Test nation.
Chappell's brother Greg, as well as chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch and coach Tim Nielsen, bore most of the fallout from the report.
Nielsen must re-apply to keep his position while Greg Chappell's selection duties have been removed from his national talent manager role.
Hilditch will also step away after the selection chairman role was made a fulltime position.
Chappell however believes there are real problems within Cricket Australia itself.
"It's got to give you a bit of a clue when you have to hold a review to see what's wrong with the body that's supposed to be running cricket," Chappell told the BBC.
"That's got to tell you where most of the problems are, surely?
"If you've got the right people in place, they see that there's problems and start doing something about them."
Chappell says Australian cricket has performed above his expectations after the retirement of several champion players in the past few years.
"I always thought Judgment Day was to come for Australia when Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath went," he said.
"The fact that Australia were able to prolong their reign at the top was in part a credit to them, a credit to Ricky Ponting, and I think it was also down to the fact that there wasn't much around to take over from them."
And Chappell also believes the team can restore some faith with fans back home by being successful in their current tour of Sri Lanka and the following trip to South Africa.
"I give them a chance in Sri Lanka," he said.
"Sri Lanka aren't that good now. Take Murali out of that attack and they could struggle. I think Australia's got a bit of a chance of winning that one.
"South Africa should beat them but we're talking about a side that lost to New Zealand in the quarter-finals of the World Cup when the World Cup was basically there for their taking."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ian-chappell-says-problems-lie-in-cricket-australia-20110822-1j601.html#ixzz1Vjlo0DfU
Sydney Morning Herald
August 22nd, 2011
Former Test captain Ian Chappell believes the fact Cricket Australia needed the Argus Report to point out problems, highlights what's wrong within the game's administration.
The report, released on Friday, tabled several recommendations to revitalise the game at the highest level as Australia tries to regain its status as the world's best Test nation.
Chappell's brother Greg, as well as chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch and coach Tim Nielsen, bore most of the fallout from the report.
Nielsen must re-apply to keep his position while Greg Chappell's selection duties have been removed from his national talent manager role.
Hilditch will also step away after the selection chairman role was made a fulltime position.
Chappell however believes there are real problems within Cricket Australia itself.
"It's got to give you a bit of a clue when you have to hold a review to see what's wrong with the body that's supposed to be running cricket," Chappell told the BBC.
"That's got to tell you where most of the problems are, surely?
"If you've got the right people in place, they see that there's problems and start doing something about them."
Chappell says Australian cricket has performed above his expectations after the retirement of several champion players in the past few years.
"I always thought Judgment Day was to come for Australia when Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath went," he said.
"The fact that Australia were able to prolong their reign at the top was in part a credit to them, a credit to Ricky Ponting, and I think it was also down to the fact that there wasn't much around to take over from them."
And Chappell also believes the team can restore some faith with fans back home by being successful in their current tour of Sri Lanka and the following trip to South Africa.
"I give them a chance in Sri Lanka," he said.
"Sri Lanka aren't that good now. Take Murali out of that attack and they could struggle. I think Australia's got a bit of a chance of winning that one.
"South Africa should beat them but we're talking about a side that lost to New Zealand in the quarter-finals of the World Cup when the World Cup was basically there for their taking."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/ian-chappell-says-problems-lie-in-cricket-australia-20110822-1j601.html#ixzz1Vjlo0DfU
Tigers of Old said:
Disagree but we've been down this path before, you seem to have an agenda against it.
Our club in Melb has grown substantially in recent years , the main influx being U 16's. A thriving junior competition in inner west Melb that grows in numbers each year. Keeping them intersted between the ages of 16-25 is the issue.
Good to see Trent Copeland take 5 for in the tour match in Sri Lanka.
Unfashionable line & length medium pace bowler who should be in the test team next week.
Has a shield record 2nd to none of any current players.
Unfashionable line & length medium pace bowler who should be in the test team next week.
Has a shield record 2nd to none of any current players.
Leysy Days said:
I didn't realise his record was so good Leysy, but a first class bowling average of below 22 suggests he well and truly deserves his spot.
Haven't seen much of him, but sounds a bit like a Stuart Clark type....not quick, but lands the ball in good areas and gets good bounce. Good bounce is important- it made up for a lack of pace in Glenn Mcgrath's career and we haven't seen many better than him over the years.
Stuart Clark is a good example Phil. Copeland may be even slower than him, prob gets more bounce though at 200cm.
Bounce is critical in a bowlers makeup. Our ranks have all lacked that in recent years - Siddle, Hilfy, Harris, Johnson etc all skid the ball which limits there effectiveness.
Bounce is critical in a bowlers makeup. Our ranks have all lacked that in recent years - Siddle, Hilfy, Harris, Johnson etc all skid the ball which limits there effectiveness.
