Great article. Absolutely bang on.
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jb03 said:
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Leysy Days said:
If Marsh was available Punter would be history already.
Outside of that I have no idea as you well know I don't follow state cricket daisy. It's the selectors job to find a young player who shows something with the bat.
Like other youngsters in times past seemingly plucked from obscurity, they must be out there surely but you won't know how good they are unless they gain experience & exposure to Test match cricket. This would seem the ideal time to be doing that.
Ponting & also Haddin knocking out some runs against lesser opponents is papering over the cracks of a crumbling cricket team when our rebuild should be in full swing.
With Punter particularly next to no chance for Ashes '13, IMO there's much more to be by trying out a younger option than biding time until you're still faced with the same dilemma on the eve of an Ashes series.
Kiwis have crashed to 5/28.
Pattison has 5/7 after having 4 wickets for 1 run after his 1st over this morning.
Pattison has 5/7 after having 4 wickets for 1 run after his 1st over this morning.
He goes all right young Patto doesn't he? Beautiful seam, late away swing at pace. Hard to combat, especially if you're intent on playing at balls you should leave. I think we've found the bowling attack that can win the Ashes back. Cummins, Pattinson, Starc, Lyon, Watson. Amazing the revitalising power of youth.
Tigers of Old said:
If Marsh was available it would have one of the great travestry's of justice if Warner & more importantly Phil "two scores over 36 in past 16 innings" Hughes werent on the chopping block first.
Tigers of Old said:
Thought that might have been the case.
Tigers of Old said:
Fact is it is widely known we have some great young talents around the country with the ball. Anyone who follows state cricke unfortunately knows that isnt the case with the bat. Whether this is a faze or has more to do with 20/20 leysy not sure.
Tigers of Old said:
This is where a lot of primarily football followers get on the wrong track with a sport that is completely different. Test cruicket is unique. There are no premierships, no draft picks for losing games with young teams. This is the Australian Test Cricket team, baggy greens cannot be handed out on a whim. All tests have meaning with some more than others aka the Ashes, Series against India are huge as are any series against South Africa.
We need to regenerate by picking the best teams but also with a consideration for the future. Ridiculous to suggest as you do that all experienced players should be marched off so that young players coming dont have the experience of some of our greats to fall back on.
Of course, only the mighty Taswegians can overcome their first love of AFL to produce international class cricketers.Leysy Days said:
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Leysy's views were pretty spot on and I added a caveat or reason.Joe Lynn Turnip said:Great article. Absolutely bang on.
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jb03 said:
The AFL excuse is a random Vic-centric conclusion - how do you know what happens up north? I can assure you plenty of potential cricketers are lost to both Rugby codes and Soccer. Also, unlike Victoria , NSW actually has parts of it where the rival code is just as if not more popular and cricket even loses players to Aussie Rules up here as well. NSW kids if anything have more choices away from cricket than Victorian kids. But that's all moot because there's one simple reason NSW has always had the largest pool of talent - it's always had the largest population. It ain't rocket surgery.
End the opening farce, bring back Katich.
Forget technique, Hughes doesn't have the temprament for test cricket at the moment.
Forget technique, Hughes doesn't have the temprament for test cricket at the moment.
MOTM for Pattinson and yet another use of the word "surreal" by a sportsman. No doubt he'll run out a buy a Dali painting with the cheque. :
Streak said:
Bringing back the likes of Katich is not the answer. The usual suspects will disagree, but Hughes needs to at least see out the sumnmer instead of being dropped yet again afher only a handful of tests. If you want to talk about blokes who either get hundreds and eighties or nothing, then he at least deserves the same amount of time that Marcus North -a guy in his late 20's/early30's with half Hughes' natural ability- received.(and yes I realise he also bowled , but he was crap at that too and only got wickets against the tanking Pakis.)
Joe Lynn Turnip said:
Two things here.
Firstly, you cannot correct bad technique or temprament very easily at test level. He needs to go back to domestic level for a bit to work on his game.
Secondly, Katich is the answer IMO, Shane Watson isn't. Opening batsmen are critical to the success of your side, and we have a very good one languishing at domestic level. I would suggest one of the best openers by current world standards infact.
I'm all for bringing young guys into the squad, but it seems pointless to keep going with openers who do not do the job in the hope they will develop into the role at Test level. It is a high risk strategy that can cause damage to the young guys being given an opportunity to fill other batting positions by constantly exposing them too early in the innings.
Ponting and Hussey should not be in the team ahead of Katich.
The allure of AFL is why NSW dominates the national team more than Victoria - yeah right. :jb03 said:
One us is kidding themselves and it ain't me. Having spent roughly half my life in Victoria and the other half in NSW I'm at least familiar with both states and not just making biased assumptions about states or a football codes I know little about. It's not a p!ssing contest, it's just a fact NSW has a larger population to choose from, doesn't mean they're some kind of superior race. Same reason we don't win as many Olympic gold medals as China. There's no shame in it.tigertim said:
im curious as to why a 29yo Quiney is excluded whilst 29yos Marsh and Cowan are listed as those who should be given a go?
Leysy Days said:
i agree with this sentiment. i disagree it means a 36yo who has struggled for runs for 2 years should continue to be picked.
Geez what a capitulation from the Kiwis.
I remember after the Safs series that a NZ commentator was asked if NZ had a chance to beat us and he jokingly responded that the Kiwis will play bad enough to make the Aussies win.
He was right.
I remember after the Safs series that a NZ commentator was asked if NZ had a chance to beat us and he jokingly responded that the Kiwis will play bad enough to make the Aussies win.
He was right.
Leysy Days said:
Your love affair with Ponting is well documented. He made a good 50 in SA, but frankly anything against NZ is meaningless. What we do know is that he has averaged well under 40 for the past two years. It is simply not enough for a test batsman. Marsh and Watson come straight back in the next month. I'm happy for Hughes to slip out, but for the sake of our future, we have got to give Warner some games.