Cricket

[tigertim]

im curious as to why a 29yo Quiney is excluded whilst 29yos Marsh and Cowan are listed as those who should be given a go?

Don't think quiney is up to it and isn't marsh only 27?

 

[jb03]

The allure of AFL is why NSW dominates the national team more than Victoria - yeah right. : One us is kidding themselves and it ain't me. Having spent roughly half my life in Victoria and the other half in NSW I'm at least familiar with both states and not just making biased assumptions about states or a football codes I know little about. It's not a p!ssing contest, it's just a fact NSW has a larger population to choose from, doesn't mean they're some kind of superior race. Same reason we don't win as many Olympic gold medals as China. There's no shame in it.

Use the rolly eyes smiley all you want, doesn't make you any smarter and more knowledgeable. You are simply refusing to accept that a one reason why NSW turns out more test cricketers than Victoria is that many talented kids in Victoria choose AFL over cricket - I have never said it is the sole reason. A larger population is another reason. Not sure why you can't accept this. And I don't particularly care where you have lived.

We need to regenerate by picking the best teams but also with a consideration for the future. Ridiculous to suggest as you do that all experienced players should be marched off so that young players coming dont have the experience of some of our greats to fall back on.

Would you bring Katich back then who would be a superior opener to Hughes. And do yo uthink Wade deserves a go, even as a batsmen?

 

[Streak]

This is where a lot of primarily football followers get on the wrong track with a sport that is completely different. Test cruicket is unique. There are no premierships, no draft picks for losing games with young teams. This is the Australian Test Cricket team, baggy greens cannot be handed out on a whim. All tests have meaning with some more than others aka the Ashes, Series against India are huge as are any series against South Africa.

We need to regenerate by picking the best teams but also with a consideration for the future. Ridiculous to suggest as you do that all experienced players should be marched off so that young players coming dont have the experience of some of our greats to fall back on.

I so totally agree. This is not football. This is about having the best side possible out on the track. Yep, you need to manage the team and give opportuntiiy to those that deserve them.

Which means Katich back in for me.

 

[Brodders17]

End the opening farce, bring back Katich.

Forget technique, Hughes doesn't have the temprament for test cricket at the moment.

it seems a guy who should know a bit about cricker disagrees with you streaker.
ross taylor, NZ skipper, reckons Hughes should stay in the team, for the next test at least:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2011/content/current/story/543674.html

 

[Joe Lynn Turnip]

Use the rolly eyes smiley all you want, doesn't make you any smarter and more knowledgeable. You are simply refusing to accept that a one reason why NSW turns out more test cricketers than Victoria is that many talented kids in Victoria choose AFL over cricket - I have never said it is the sole reason. A larger population is another reason. Not sure why you can't accept this. And I don't particularly care where you have lived.

Where I've lived is entirely relevent and does make me more knowledgeable than you on this particular matter as you obviously live in a bubble of provincial, parochial ignorance and as such are simply making things up based purely on preconceived notions arising from said ignorance.

 

[pahoffm]

An amazing win by the Richmond Tigers today, against Ringwood in Premier Cricket.

Ringwood batted yesterday and made 375.
The Tiges had to bat the last three overs and lost Victorian keeper, Ryan Carters, for a duck.

Today, the Tigers batted all day and passed Ringwood, seven wickets down.

Manou scored a century.
Sheridan, just short of a century.
Yeo, as a night-watchman, 70.
Delmont & McDonald with about 30 each.

A good team score.

http://mycricket.cricket.com.au/common/pages/asphost.aspx?loc=/cricket/reports/match.asp&matchID=1074434&entityID=3

 

[Streak]

it seems a guy who should know a bit about cricker disagrees with you streaker.
ross taylor, NZ skipper, reckons Hughes should stay in the team, for the next test at least:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2011/content/current/story/543674.html

didn't read the article, but you don't think he has a vested interest do you Brodders :hihi

 

[Sintiger]

didn't read the article, but you don't think he has a vested interest do you Brodders :hihi

Taylor's comments are a less than subtle dig at Hughes' technique and if Hughes has any ticker he will be very fired up for the 2nd test after reading them. I suspect he has ticker but sadly for him he doesn't have the technique.
Can Shaun Marsh open the batting ?

 

[IanG]

Can Shaun Marsh open the batting ?

Yes he would have been there instead of Warner if not for his injury.

 

[Streak]

Taylor's comments are a less than subtle dig at Hughes' technique and if Hughes has any ticker he will be very fired up for the 2nd test after reading them. I suspect he has ticker but sadly for him he doesn't have the technique.
Can Shaun Marsh open the batting ?

We need to move away from the idea of putting in makeshit openers. I still say put Katich back in there, and seriously try to find his replacement.

I think Marsh should be given a few years at 5 before moving up the order.

 

[pahoffm]

We need to move away from the idea of putting in makesh!t openers. I still say put Katich back in there, and seriously try to find his replacement.

Funny you should say that.
As I recall, Katich, in a way, was a makeshift opener.
He began as a middle order batsman then evolved into an opening batsman.

There have been plenty of them.
In my lifetime, Goddard, Barlow, Redpath, Gooch, Boon, Watson come quickly to mind.

Goddard, Barlow & Watson are examples of all-rounders who regularly opened the batting.

On Hughes, I posted on here that Hughes was debuted as an Test opening bat far too young.
He hadn't been given enough time to develop at a Shield level.

Taylor's comments are interesting.
He is still my favourite batsman & captain.
Taylor, himself, was pushed up as a 20 yo to open Australia's batting.
However, the then selectors made him wait in the Shield for about 4 years before letting him debut.
Of course, Taylor was an instant success on the 1989 English Tour that won back the Ashes.

As I thought then, Hughes has been pushed up too early before developing properly at Shield level.

 

[Sintiger]

Funny you should say that.
As I recall, Katich, in a way, was a makeshift opener.
He began as a middle order batsman then evolved into an opening batsman.

There have been plenty of them.
In my lifetime, Goddard, Barlow, Redpath, Gooch, Boon, Watson come quickly to mind.

Goddard, Barlow & Watson are examples of all-rounders who regularly opened the batting.

On Hughes, I posted on here that Hughes was debuted as an Test opening bat far too young.
He hadn't been given enough time to develop at a Shield level.

Taylor's comments are interesting.
He is still my favourite batsman & captain.
Taylor, himself, was pushed up as a 20 yo to open Australia's batting.
However, the then selectors made him wait in the Shield for about 4 years before letting him debut.
Of course, Taylor was an instant success on the 1989 English Tour that won back the Ashes.

As I thought then, Hughes has been pushed up too early before developing properly at Shield level.

Wrong taylor Phantom. The comments were by Ross Taylor the Kiwi captain .

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Funny you should say that.
As I recall, Katich, in a way, was a makeshift opener.
He began as a middle order batsman then evolved into an opening batsman.

There have been plenty of them.
In my lifetime, Goddard, Barlow, Redpath, Gooch, Boon, Watson come quickly to mind.

Goddard, Barlow & Watson are examples of all-rounders who regularly opened the batting.

On Hughes, I posted on here that Hughes was debuted as an Test opening bat far too young.
He hadn't been given enough time to develop at a Shield level.

Taylor's comments are interesting.
He is still my favourite batsman & captain.
Taylor, himself, was pushed up as a 20 yo to open Australia's batting.
However, the then selectors made him wait in the Shield for about 4 years before letting him debut.
Of course, Taylor was an instant success on the 1989 English Tour that won back the Ashes.

As I thought then, Hughes has been pushed up too early before developing properly at Shield level.

Langer was also a makeshift opener. He got the gig in England after Michael Slater had a bad run of form and stayed there. His earlier tests for Australia were in the middle order.

 

[Brodders17]

One change for the 2nd test.
Out: Cutting (inj)
In: Christian

 

[pahoffm]

Wrong taylor Phantom. The comments were by Ross Taylor the Kiwi captain .

Why is the Kiwi captain making comments about Australian batsmen?

The article should be printed, laminated and stuck to the door of Hughes' locker.

I can remember Tony Greig making comments in 1976 about making the West Indies grovel.
The WIndies won 4-0 and it was England who grovelled, as I recall.
.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

One change for the 2nd test.
Out: Cutting (inj)
In: Christian

Is he a batsman who bowls a bit or a bowler of bats a bit. His first class averages with both bat and ball aren't great.

So if he plays, does he replace a bowler or "Nick" Hughes?

 

[IanG]

Is he a batsman who bowls a bit or a bowler of bats a bit. His first class averages with both bat and ball aren't great.

So if he plays, does he replace a bowler or "Nick" Hughes?

He's essentially a limited overs player, are the selectors trying to merge the 3 different forms? First Warner, now this.

 

[Leysy Days]

Would you bring Katich back then who would be a superior opener to Hughes. And do yo uthink Wade deserves a go, even as a batsmen?

No the Katich bird has flown. Think he's checked out mentally judging by his scores for NSW.

On Wade, he's not there yet to play as a batsman but him or Paine should be taking Haddins spot ASAP ILO.

Leysy's batting order when all fit -

Watson
Marsh
Khawaja
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey

That reads a lot better than what was against New Zealand.

 

[Leysy Days]

We need to move away from the idea of putting in makesh!t openers. I still say put Katich back in there, and seriously try to find his replacement.

I think Marsh should be given a few years at 5 before moving up the order.

As others have noted players can move up to the opening position with success. Watson, Langer & Katich are examples.

You need a rock solid technique, be tough mentally, have patience & importantly an ability to consistently leave the ball. Marsh has most of these things ticked off so could make a real fist of it ILO.

 

[IanG]

As others have noted players can move up to the opening position with success. Watson, Langer & Katich are examples.

You need a rock solid technique, be tough mentally, have patience & importantly an ability to consistently leave the ball. Marsh has most (not all) of these things ticked off so could make a real fist of it ILO.

Marsh is old enough that he shouldn't have to start down the order.