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Damien Hardwick [Merged]

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Al Bundy said:
Does anyone think or believe he should be coach next year? ( taking the contract situation out of it) does he deserve it? Why?

Hardwick is a likeable bloke but I think he is past his use by date mainly because of wretched gameplan since 2013, entrenched selection table weaknesses and an obvious lack of nous on match-day, BUT the Board have absolutely painted themselves into a corner on this one and I cannot see a way out that dignifies anyone.

Therefore I have already written 2017 off (with Hardwick still at the helm). Of course I could be horribly wrong but on previous evidence I highly doubt it.
 
puntrd64 said:
Hardwick is a likeable bloke but I think he is past his use by date mainly because of wretched gameplan since 2013, entrenched selection table weaknesses and an obvious lack of nous on match-day, BUT the Board have absolutely painted themselves into a corner on this one and I cannot see a way out that dignifies anyone.

Therefore I have already written 2017 off (with Hardwick still at the helm). Of course I could be horribly wrong but on previous evidence I highly doubt it.
Yep agree.
But wondered by chance anyone thought on Dimmas merits & current performances he deserves a gig. I dont.
 
Al Bundy said:
Yep agree.
But wondered by chance anyone thought on Dimmas merits & current performances he deserves a gig. I dont.
If no-ones bothers about KPI's in contracts it becomes hard to argue one way or the other Al.
 
puntrd64 said:
If no-ones bothers about KPI's in contracts it becomes hard to argue one way or the other Al.
True. At the time when signed &, based on initial kpi's as voice by Gale's plan on RFC "in making finals". Dimma made it but no a GF.

On this year's performance apart from a couple of games I couldn't see his worth. I remember Dimma spruiking how good the assistant coaches were with how successful they had been the last 3 years yet they got the chop.

I get contractually he is in but taking that out of the equation does anyone believe his worth moving fwd. I can't see it but wondered if there is anything positive about Dimma.
 
I’ve never read so much about a person who has proven himself so ordinary at coaching. By his own recent admission he needs help. The help he needs and what would be so obviously beneficial to the RFC and many of the current listed players is for him to be removed; replaced and cut completely of any role at Richmond.

He’s had 7 long years and all the talk and debating does not change the fact he has failed as the head coach. Now that is agreed upon can we move on to finding the best possible replacement and lets not use the same idiots to decide upon his replacement that were responsible for extending Hardwicks contract!
 
puntrd64 said:
Hardwick is a likeable bloke but I think he is past his use by date mainly because of wretched gameplan since 2013, entrenched selection table weaknesses and an obvious lack of nous on match-day, BUT the Board have absolutely painted themselves into a corner on this one and I cannot see a way out that dignifies anyone.

Therefore I have already written 2017 off (with Hardwick still at the helm). Of course I could be horribly wrong but on previous evidence I highly doubt it.
There must be a significant number of Tiges members who are currently weighing up their financial commitment to the club next year. I will probably renew....but I don't personally know a single Tiger supporter who wants to keep Damien on next year.....Assuming he stays on and coaches into 2017, you'd have to think he is going to be in trouble if the win/loss ratio is less than stellar by say round 8. Question is, how many members are going to withhold their money and not renew next year and at what point will the Board move him on?
 
Lazarus said:
Talk of hissy fits and wet pants adds little to the conversation other than make you appear like an immature old fart.
Damn! Busted, I'm just a grumpy old fart who failed to grow up.
By the way, calling people old farts is just as immature as wet pants n hissy fits, glass houses n rocks n stuff. I'm sure you know how it works.
 
67 special said:
There must be a significant number of Tiges members who are currently weighing up their financial commitment to the club next year. I will probably renew....but I don't personally know a single Tiger supporter who wants to keep Damien on next year.....Assuming he stays on and coaches into 2017, you'd have to think he is going to be in trouble if the win/loss ratio is less than stellar by say round 8. Question is, how many members are going to withhold their money and not renew next year and at what point will the Board move him on?
I'll be maintaining my membership for next year, it's something I believe is vital to maintaining a strong n healthy club.
Don't care either way if Dimma coaches or not for next year as I don't believe a sudden change of coach will resolve any of the deeper issues we have within our footy dept. That's what all the review n appointing Balme n positional changes at the club are supposed to rectify and improve. Shooting the coach before any of this is activated and implemented is irrelevant. Once the club has the time to restructure n implement it's systems is when the decision needs to be made regarding the coach. If things improve next year because of the changes made then keep going n working at improving. If nothing changes for the better after the adjustments then the coach will be removed n another will be tried.
Right now our issues are more than just the coach.

Guess it will be interesting to see how many fans hold back their membership until they've had a look at the pre season games or perhaps suddenly jump on board if we play some fan friendly attacking n winning footy during the first few rounds.
 
Can we trade him ?. Can trade players so why not coaches as they are all under the AFl banner. Maybe a good trade would have been Leppa but then the Lions have turned their nose up at that as it would have been taking a step backwards.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Guess it will be interesting to see how many fans hold back their membership until they've had a look at the pre season games or perhaps suddenly jump on board if we play some fan friendly attacking n winning footy during the first few rounds.
Do you think you love the team more than those who choose to hold back their money? What about the supporters who cannot afford a membership? Each to their own I say. A supporter can choose when and how they want or can support a club. I hope we play some footy that sees us reach record memberships next year. If "we" do, it had nothing to do with blind faith shown by many of us in recent years. Donations made in total faith on it being used to ensure future success. It will be because of this as well as the discontentment displayed by those who choose to vote with their money. This bandwagon stuff you describe has helped change more than blind loyalty.
 
TigerMasochist said:
I'll be maintaining my membership for next year, it's something I believe is vital to maintaining a strong n healthy club.
Don't care either way if Dimma coaches or not for next year as I don't believe a sudden change of coach will resolve any of the deeper issues we have within our footy dept. That's what all the review n appointing Balme n positional changes at the club are supposed to rectify and improve. Shooting the coach before any of this is activated and implemented is irrelevant. Once the club has the time to restructure n implement it's systems is when the decision needs to be made regarding the coach. If things improve next year because of the changes made then keep going n working at improving. If nothing changes for the better after the adjustments then the coach will be removed n another will be tried.
Right now our issues are more than just the coach.

Guess it will be interesting to see how many fans hold back their membership until they've had a look at the pre season games or perhaps suddenly jump on board if we play some fan friendly attacking n winning footy during the first few rounds.

You mean the attacking style that most clubs embraced this year?

The attacking style that many of the teams in the top eightuse.

The attacking style that Hardwick refused to embrace and persist with his ugly handbreak style that turned the fans off.

The attacking style that wins games

Now why would we want our club to play that fan friendly attacking style when we can watch our club loose with Hardwick's handbreak style.
 
HR said:
Do you think you love the team more than those who choose to hold back their money? What about the supporters who cannot afford a membership? Each to their own I say. A supporter can choose when and how they want or can support a club. I hope we play some footy that sees us reach record memberships next year. If "we" do, it had nothing to do with blind faith shown by many of us in recent years. Donations made in total faith on it being used to ensure future success. It will be because of this as well as the discontentment displayed by those who choose to vote with their money. This bandwagon stuff you describe has helped change more than blind loyalty.
So where did I say anything about loving the team more than anyone else?
Or where did I say anything about who could or couldn't afford a membership?
Pretty sure I never mentioned a thing about blind faith either.

Band wagon stuff? Meh o.k. maybe I'll concede to your interpretation of a band wagon, just. My point was simply that there will be Tiger fans who are pretty pissed off at the club right now who will probably hold back investing in a membership until they see some improvement early next year and then join back in if the club improves n heads back to playing an exciting n competitive style of footy. Wasn't any reference to bandwagon fans who only come out of the woodwork when it looks like we are going to be successful.

Happy to have discussions about the club with anyone, don't care who agrees with me or not, they're my thoughts n opinions but please do me the courtesy of at least discussing my points of view rather than just twisting your opinions to try n discredit what I've written.
 
yandb said:
You mean the attacking style that most clubs embraced this year?

The attacking style that many of the teams in the top eightuse.

The attacking style that Hardwick refused to embrace and persist with his ugly handbreak style that turned the fans off.

The attacking style that wins games

Now why would we want our club to play that fan friendly attacking style when we can watch our club loose with Hardwick's handbreak style.
Everyone wants to watch open fast fan friendly attacking footy, it's fun and exciting even if you don't win because your side is usually always within striking distance of winning the game.
Probably a dumb question but I'll run with it anyway.

How much of the ugly handbrake footy is Dimma n how much is simply the players confusion and inability to execute under pressure?

We've seen them play fast attacking footy over the years, sometimes win, sometimes lose n other times cough up strong leads n control of the game.
We've seen them play tempo footy with similar results.
We've seen them play hard in your face contested footy again with similar results.
We've seen them execute more skill errors n poor decision making when under minimal pressure than most sides for often horrible results.
We've now come to the point where the players seem more in self preservation mode taking the cheap n easy safe sideways or backwards option, they often lose discipline n structure during a game with a bunch of players hovering around a contest n then all plodding in a group through midfield as the opposition scythes the ball wide into space n tears holes through us.

Perhaps the simplest answer is that we're simply not as good as we'd like to think we are, at our best we're a fairly handy side n when not at our best we can deteriorate to rabble very quickly. There's been plenty of variations to the way we try n play footy over the last four years n maybe we just aren't quite good enough at any of them to be considered a genuine top team.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Everyone wants to watch open fast fan friendly attacking footy, it's fun and exciting even if you don't win because your side is usually always within striking distance of winning the game.
Probably a dumb question but I'll run with it anyway.

How much of the ugly handbrake footy is Dimma n how much is simply the players confusion and inability to execute under pressure?

We've seen them play fast attacking footy over the years, sometimes win, sometimes lose n other times cough up strong leads n control of the game.
We've seen them play tempo footy with similar results.
We've seen them play hard in your face contested footy again with similar results.
We've seen them execute more skill errors n poor decision making when under minimal pressure than most sides for often horrible results.
We've now come to the point where the players seem more in self preservation mode taking the cheap n easy safe sideways or backwards option, they often lose discipline n structure during a game with a bunch of players hovering around a contest n then all plodding in a group through midfield as the opposition scythes the ball wide into space n tears holes through us.

Perhaps the simplest answer is that we're simply not as good as we'd like to think we are, at our best we're a fairly handy side n when not at our best we can deteriorate to rabble very quickly. There's been plenty of variations to the way we try n play footy over the last four years n maybe we just aren't quite good enough at any of them to be considered a genuine top team.

TM remember Hardwicks press conference last year when the boys turned it on and we beat Collingwood with a fast play on style ?

Hardwick said that that was a mistake and not how we want to play going forward.

We also repeated this against Freo and the Swans so our boys are capable of this style but Hardwick wont embrace it, instead preferring a controlled game plan.
 
yandb said:
TM remember Hardwicks press conference last year when the boys turned it on and we beat Collingwood with a fast play on style ?

Hardwick said that that was a mistake and not how we want to play going forward.

We also repeated this against Freo and the Swans so our boys are capable of this style but Hardwick wont embrace it, instead preferring a controlled game plan.

hes also stated that he let us all down and that he will retunr to fre flowing fast footy next year. Behind the 8 ball i know. Not exaclty visionary i know. but at least its recognition and som level of progress.
 
yandb said:
TM remember Hardwicks press conference last year when the boys turned it on and we beat Collingwood with a fast play on style ?

Hardwick said that that was a mistake and not how we want to play going forward.

We also repeated this against Freo and the Swans so our boys are capable of this style but Hardwick wont embrace it, instead preferring a controlled game plan.

SHhhh, dont reply to TM with facts.
 
doherz said:
hes also stated that he let us all down and that he will retunr to fre flowing fast footy next year. Behind the 8 ball i know. Not exaclty visionary i know. but at least its recognition and som level of progress.
Might be a bit hard given the way Ellis, Houli, Grigg etc have been dumbed down not sure they are capable of being adjusted.
 
yandb said:
TM remember Hardwicks press conference last year when the boys turned it on and we beat Collingwood with a fast play on style ?

Hardwick said that that was a mistake and not how we want to play going forward.

We also repeated this against Freo and the Swans so our boys are capable of this style but Hardwick wont embrace it, instead preferring a controlled game plan.
You're right, we'll do it occasionally, but it's against Hardwick's nature, which is why we don't sustain it. Damien is completely risk averse and that's how he's started to coach after the loss to Carlton in the EF. That one game has scarred him so deeply that it will probably be the reason that his career as a senior coach ultimately ends.
 
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