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Damien Hardwick

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It’s all part of the often cyclical nature of sport. You chop and change and find the right ingredients then it gets dismantled. I think if you look at most clubs at most off season there’s movement on the coaching panels.
 
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The_General

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im starting to wonder whether Dimma rubs people up the wrong way. as great as he's been, and im not saying we should get rid of him, but is there a chink in the armour starting to expose itself. Assistant coaches leaving in droves, ex players coaching elsewhere. It's a watch this space for me.
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Please, it's a sign of success. If Assistants are going elsewhere, it's because they're being offered more money or are being presented with opportunities that we can't. Nothing wrong with any of that.
The AFL is a very incestuous industry. If Dimma was difficult to work with, I think you'd see us struggling to get experienced/senior Assistants.
Leppitsch went to Brisbane and came back. Caracella, Kingsley had been elsewhere before coming to Tigerland.
Players going elsewhere is no big deal. Happens all the time.
 
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CarnTheTiges

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It’s all part of the often cyclical nature of sport. You chop and change and find the right ingredients then it gets dismantled. I think if you look at most clubs at most off season there’s movement on the coaching panels.
Yep. This part of the off season is basically coach season.
 
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Carter

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yeah reduced soft cap means coaches are eking our every cent from the system. if that means a move to another club, so be it. it's a tumultuous time
 
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Hayfever

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One thing is for sure.... I’d rather still be a Tigers fanatic with our current coach, Balmey, Board with playing/coaching list and draft picks than the Geelong Catastrophe
 
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WesternTiger

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Wouldn't surprise me either but some might argue it's the price of success.
Is that just you hedging your bets or are you talking from experience? I’ve got no real inside to clubland but never heard anything bad said about Dimma’s ability to work with people. Clarko on the other hand….
 
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taztiger4

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im starting to wonder whether Dimma rubs people up the wrong way. as great as he's been, and im not saying we should get rid of him, but is there a chink in the armour starting to expose itself. Assistant coaches leaving in droves, ex players coaching elsewhere. It's a watch this space for me.
Sorry Franga but that is quite a ridiculous assertion.

Equally as ridiculous as posters saying Dimma isn't a great tactician
 
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The Big Richo

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Is that just you hedging your bets or are you talking from experience? I’ve got no real inside to clubland but never heard anything bad said about Dimma’s ability to work with people. Clarko on the other hand….

Definitely no insight, I've only met Hardwick once and he seemed like a great bloke. Mind you it was after the 2017 Grand Final but he tolerated me dry humping his leg like a gentleman.

As a general observation though a lot of elite sportspeople, and particularly coaches put a lot of staff offside with the direct and demanding manner they adopt, especially under pressure. Even the good blokes.
 
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TOT70

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Thirteen seasons? Francis Bourke, Paul Sproule, Mike Patterson, Tony Jewel (second stint), Kevin Bartlett and Allan Jeans did twelve between them!

And KB did four of those years!
 
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So Alistair Clarkson coached from 2005 - 2021 - a total of 17 seasons and I reckon he stayed there a couple of years too long, not that he can’t coach, more both the club and he perhaps needed a change.

Personally, I can’t see Dimma going 17 years for the same reason - maybe another 3 seasons at the tigers that will squeeze the last drop out of the current stars and himself and I can see Dimma and Dusty going out around the same time unless Dusty somehow keeps his body fit and on the park.

I reckon the club and supporters have been so fortunate to have both of them in the place at the same time - a champion coach.
 
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CarnTheTiges

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So Alistair Clarkson coached from 2005 - 2021 - a total of 17 seasons and I reckon he stayed there a couple of years too long, not that he can’t coach, more both the club and he perhaps needed a change.

Personally, I can’t see Dimma going 17 years for the same reason - maybe another 3 seasons at the tigers that will squeeze the last drop out of the current stars and himself and I can see Dimma and Dusty going out around the same time unless Dusty somehow keeps his body fit and on the park.

I reckon the club and supporters have been so fortunate to have both of them in the place at the same time - a champion coach.
And Sheeds was at the Druggies for even longer. Had to be dragged out kicking and screaming. I hope that doesn’t happen to Dimma.
 

frickenel

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Comparing the Clarkson era and Hardwick era should include list dynamics.

Clarkson had the advantage of staying on top while 2 new clubs sucked up draft picks limiting the ability for opposition teams to build a list to compete at the pointy end. The Hawks recruited specific established players from opposition clubs. As a result they aged, and toppled over the cliff.

To Hardwick's credit, he's managed to build a list despite the limitations inflicted by two new clubs entering the competition right as we bottomed out. Instead, the club built the off field team virtually impeccably, footy dept and business dept. We struck gold very late in drafts, and added these players to a core of emerging champions. We've now manipulated a draft hand to go again with a rejuvinated list. As old as our champions seemed to be in 2021, i think the very short break was their cryptonite. Coltchin for example is only 31. He's not 34. I think these guys could come back bigger and better, whilt we get more development into kids. Short of falling off the cliff in the next year or two, we should at a minimum be very competative, bearing in mind as the champs retire, we can pick up a few free agent gems to slot in with the, hopefully by then, developed new talent.

We could be competing for flags with a new breed well into this decade, with Dimma still sitting at the helm.

In relation to the departure of assistants, it is more likely a reflection of the club as an organisation putting things in place to make people better to broaden their opportunities to fullfil their ambitions. The weaknesses of Kent Kingsley that cost him a gig this year, are being addressed in his role by the club going forward. It keeps everyone motivated and new ideas flowing through the organisation.

Years ago whilst running a dept in the city, i delegated at every opportunity. I was as careful as i could be in selecting what i delegated to whome, and i always encouraged them to apply for other positions within the organisation. It wasn't that i wanted to lose good staff, but i didn't want the natural progression within my department to stagnate. If nobody moves on or up, what can staff under them aspire to?

That was going back quite a while now, and the corporate environment has changed significantly, and to the point where dealing with such people gets up my goat, hence the fact that most of my income now simply comes from logging into a computer at night and dragging money out of the US stock exchange. No dealing with idiots. and a clean desk with no paperwork.
 
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zippadeee

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Comparisons between Hawthorn 2016-21 and Richmond 2021-X will be unavoidable. Clarkson brought in a heap of gap-fillers and so far we've avoided that road.
Not sure about
Caddy Nakas Prestia lynch
to a lesser degree Townsend
We have brought in players too.
But the difference with us we haven't used or compromised our draft position during this period. (I wished we did in 17)
Maybe we learnt from hawthorn not to do it. Its a pity because if we did use pick 17, pick 20 2017 on a Wines. We might be seeing the greatest football club ever.
Hawthorn have been nothing but a sensational football club.
Run well, really strong in decision making.
Clubs have won 1 flag in a 1000 years, Hawthorn will find a way.
Getting compared to Brisbane and hawthorn puts a smile on my face considering less then 10 years ago we were getting compared to Fitzroy.
What was it 'Fitzroy have won more finals then Richmond and they have been in the competition in 15 years'
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Not sure about
Caddy Nakas Prestia lynch
to a lesser degree Townsend
We have brought in players too.
Talking about after the period of success.

Traded for players:

2016 #10 #14
2017 #26 #34
2018 #15 #35
2019 #34
2020 #31

That doesn't include things like the Vickery disaster. After 2018 they mostly used third- and fourth-rounders to recruit budget players. 16 players from other clubs have debuted at Hawthorn and it's been a slow decline apart from a surprise top four finish in 2018 after a soft draw.

Our decline was obvious last year, we were losing games at more or less full strength before the injuries took hold. I don't think keeping our draft picks will allow us to contend in the short term, but at least we're not repeating what didn't work at Hawthorn. So far.
 
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Bennnny

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Comparing the Clarkson era and Hardwick era should include list dynamics.

Clarkson had the advantage of staying on top while 2 new clubs sucked up draft picks limiting the ability for opposition teams to build a list to compete at the pointy end. The Hawks recruited specific established players from opposition clubs. As a result they aged, and toppled over the cliff.

To Hardwick's credit, he's managed to build a list despite the limitations inflicted by two new clubs entering the competition right as we bottomed out. Instead, the club built the off field team virtually impeccably, footy dept and business dept. We struck gold very late in drafts, and added these players to a core of emerging champions. We've now manipulated a draft hand to go again with a rejuvinated list. As old as our champions seemed to be in 2021, i think the very short break was their cryptonite. Coltchin for example is only 31. He's not 34. I think these guys could come back bigger and better, whilt we get more development into kids. Short of falling off the cliff in the next year or two, we should at a minimum be very competative, bearing in mind as the champs retire, we can pick up a few free agent gems to slot in with the, hopefully by then, developed new talent.

We could be competing for flags with a new breed well into this decade, with Dimma still sitting at the helm.

In relation to the departure of assistants, it is more likely a reflection of the club as an organisation putting things in place to make people better to broaden their opportunities to fullfil their ambitions. The weaknesses of Kent Kingsley that cost him a gig this year, are being addressed in his role by the club going forward. It keeps everyone motivated and new ideas flowing through the organisation.

Years ago whilst running a dept in the city, i delegated at every opportunity. I was as careful as i could be in selecting what i delegated to whome, and i always encouraged them to apply for other positions within the organisation. It wasn't that i wanted to lose good staff, but i didn't want the natural progression within my department to stagnate. If nobody moves on or up, what can staff under them aspire to?

That was going back quite a while now, and the corporate environment has changed significantly, and to the point where dealing with such people gets up my goat, hence the fact that most of my income now simply comes from logging into a computer at night and dragging money out of the US stock exchange. No dealing with idiots. and a clean desk with no paperwork.
Fantastic post.
We made improvements off the field and created a great organisation.
We have proved we can help make players better
Hawthorn have suffered from the coach and president fighting and thus distracting the club.
Essendon were to weak to get rid of Sheedy.
Richmond will keep Dimma interested and working hard on improving himself and the club