Dan Richardson

[TigerMasochist]

Not talking about coaches, assistants or game plan.
Care to answer any of the questions I posed re Balme doing the trades?

Come on willo, time to get with the trend.
Footy dept spent all year working out what it was going to do n how to try n achieve the best possible trade period, then Balmey came along n two weeks later the Messiah has thrown all the work in the bin n just did his thing. Saved the club from humiliating themselves from chasing Cloke n Dawes, by this time next year we'll be celebrating our eleventh flag n proudly declaring that Dimma can be coach for life. As long as Balmey's allowed to schmooooze around in the background n do his thing.

 

[asian tetley]

Not talking about coaches, assistants or game plan.
Care to answer any of the questions I posed re Balme doing the trades?

I thought I just did.
Dan & Blair wouldn't have been capable of a trade period outcome like that?
Why?
Because their track records tell us loud and clear that they're incapable.
Just like Hardwick will never coach a winning final.
Why?
Because his track record tells us loud and clear, he's incapable also.

Do I need to be sitting in Blair & Dan's pocket, or sitting next to Hardwick in the coaches box, to come to those conclusions?
No I don't because it's entirely obvious.

 

[RFC not KFC]

I thought I just did.
Dan & Blair wouldn't have been capable of a trade period outcome like that?
Why?
Because their track records tell us loud and clear that they're incapable.
Just like Hardwick will never coach a winning final.
Why?
Because his track record tells us loud and clear, he's incapable also.

Do I need to be sitting in Blair & Dan's pocket, or sitting next to Hardwick in the coaches box, to come to those conclusions?
No I don't because it's entirely obvious.

I reckon Blame is a good appointment but you seem to think he is the messiah.
Balme was at Collingwood the entire time Buckley took a grand finalist further down the ladder each year under his tutelage - only the 5th coach in history to reduce his winning % in 5 consecutive seasons.
A decline of such magnitude spread over 5 years indicates recruiting issues as well as coaching issues.
And Balme was there the whole time. Riddle me that Batman.

 

[lamb22]

I reckon Blame is a good appointment but you seem to think he is the messiah.
Balme was at Collingwood the entire time Buckley took a grand finalist further down the ladder each year under his tutelage - only the 5th coach in history to reduce his winning % in 5 consecutive seasons.
A decline of such magnitude spread over 5 years indicates recruiting issues as well as coaching issues.
And Balme was there the whole time. Riddle me that Batman.

Balmey joined Pies end of 2014.

Previously Geelong 2007 to 2014 - 3 flags
Pies 2000 - 2006 - 2 GFs.

No messiah, agreed, but a lot better than the cold tripe in milk we've been serving.

 

[The_General]

I reckon Blame is a good appointment but you seem to think he is the messiah.

Blame has been at the club for 30 years, and is in force on these boards.

 

[asian tetley]

I reckon Blame is a good appointment but you seem to think he is the messiah.
Balme was at Collingwood the entire time Buckley took a grand finalist further down the ladder each year under his tutelage - only the 5th coach in history to reduce his winning % in 5 consecutive seasons.
A decline of such magnitude spread over 5 years indicates recruiting issues as well as coaching issues.
And Balme was there the whole time. Riddle me that Batman.

I don't think he's a messiah but agree with you, he's a good appointment.
Brings some much needed football nous to a club that had next to none.

Balme was appointed second time around at Collinwood at the end of 2014 and left sept 2016 not a huge amount of time.
If I remember rightly fast Eddie moved swiftly to acquire his services from Geelong, when Eade departed for the Suns.
Not a surprise coz in his eight years at the cats they won 3 flags and 1 runners up.
Not a bad record.

Leaves the other employees at the club in the shade with his record.
Riddle solved.

 

[Willo]

I thought I just did.
Dan & Blair wouldn't have been capable of a trade period outcome like that?
Why?
Because their track records tell us loud and clear that they're incapable.
Just like Hardwick will never coach a winning final.
Why?
Because his track record tells us loud and clear, he's incapable also.

Do I need to be sitting in Blair & Dan's pocket, or sitting next to Hardwick in the coaches box, to come to those conclusions?
No I don't because it's entirely obvious.

Er no you didn't. You just laid the credit at Balmes feet. You couldn't tell us how or what he did.
It's just an opinion nothing based on fact.
To say neither DR or BH could achieve an outcome, well, I remember many here praising both when Maric, Chaplin, Houli, Knights and even Yarran and Morris were brought to the club. I'm not saying everyone was in favour but plenty were happy with those gains.
But then public opinion changes.
Are people happy about the Prestia acquisition? Some will say we paid "overs" but let's see what he brings. Without Prestia coming I doubt Caddy would have. My opinion only, but it has been mentioned Prestia influenced his mates decision. The work was put into Prestia well before Balme arrived.

So no, you haven't answered, you just wandered off to tell us about Hardwick..

 

[asian tetley]

Er no you didn't. You just laid the credit at Balmes feet. You couldn't tell us how or what he did.
It's just an opinion nothing based on fact.
To say neither DR or BH could achieve an outcome, well, I remember many here praising both when Maric, Chaplin, Houli, Knights and even Yarran and Morris were brought to the club. I'm not saying everyone was in favour but plenty were happy with those gains.
But then public opinion changes.
Are people happy about the Prestia acquisition? Some will say we paid "overs" but let's see what he brings. Without Prestia coming I doubt Caddy would have. My opinion only, but it has been mentioned Prestia influenced his mates decision. The work was put into Prestia well before Balme arrived.

So no, you haven't answered, you just wandered off to tell us about Hardwick..

Well let's just say this years draft period seems a hell of a lot better than previous trades.
Maybe Dan and Blair have gone from boiled lollies to chocolates and Balme's presence down at Punt Rd as the man in charge of the football department, is just a strange coincidence.

 

[RFC not KFC]

Blame has been at the club for 30 years, and is in force on these boards.

Nice work.

 

[Willo]

Well let's just say this years draft period seems a hell of a lot better than previous trades.
Maybe Dan and Blair have gone from boiled lollies to chocolates and Balme's presence down at Punt Rd as the man in charge of the football department, is just a strange coincidence.

Or people are reluctant to give credit where it's due

 

[tigersnake]

Or people are reluctant to give credit where it's due

You're all over it willo.

 

[Bullarto Tiger]

The vast bulk of decisions made by RFC over this year's end of season trade period were, I believe well in transition prior to Balme's arrival. That is particularly the case with Prestia.

 

[asian tetley]

The vast bulk of decisions made by RFC over this year's end of season trade period were, I believe well in transition prior to Balme's arrival. That is particularly the case with Prestia.

Prestia deal was certainly well advanced before Balme's arrival.
Talk of a first rounder before we realised we were talking about pick 6, I believe.
The other two deals were brokered AFTER Balme's arrival.

 

[lamb22]

I agree the Prestia deal was Dan's baby. It was the one we paid overs for.

Very surprised with the smarts we showed and the success we had with the Caddy and Nanka deals. Seemed very un Richmond and Dan like and I assume for good reason.

 

[Mappa]

We clearly had a deficiency in the football department that has been addressed. This has provided everyone including Balme and Richardson with the opportunity to use their respective skills for the benefit of the team, the club and the supporters for that matter.

The sum total was we had a better than average trade period, was it the overall strategy, the negotiation tactics, the specific targeting, the inside information of Geelong list and salary cap, our association with Wayne Campbell, who knows?

The point is rather than continue to bemoan the issues of the past, why the hell not say our over all football department looks much better and enjoy the fact we actually did ok.

Bring on the draft and some wise selections, things could just be on the up?

 

[Puntrd64]

Conca a 2 year extension on the back of what ? Who makes these decisions ? Is Dan just told what to do ?

 

[tigersnake]

Seemed very un Richmond and Dan like and I assume for good reason.

maybe the good reason is legitimate change? change in policy and strategy? learning from experience? People and organisations do do it you know

this idea that you and asia are clinging to like grim death that we've made blues in the past therefore we will always make blues into the future is pathologically belligerent rather than rational or logical. Again, before you start with the coolaid cracks, there is no Pollyanna *smile* going on here, its only one aspect and stage of many that have to vastly improve, but I look at whats in front of me.

 

[Tigerfan]

maybe the good reason is legitimate change? change in policy and strategy? learning from experience? People and organisations do do it you know

this idea that you and asia are clinging to like grim death that we've made blues in the past therefore we will always make blues into the future is pathologically belligerent rather than rational or logical. Again, before you start with the coolaid cracks, there is no Pollyanna sh!t going on here, its only one aspect and stage of many that have to vastly improve, but I look at whats in front of me.

Yeah I'm with tigersnake

2016 was ordinary
And the club has responded
- balme
- Caracalla
- Leppitsch
- Williams
-Prestia caddy and nankervis

If there was no response I'd be annoyed ... but there has been.

 

[spook]

I agree the Prestia deal was Dan's baby. It was the one we paid overs for.

Very surprised with the smarts we showed and the success we had with the Caddy and Nanka deals. Seemed very un Richmond and Dan like and I assume for good reason.

Dan said he had nothing to do with the Prestia trade, it was all Hartley.

 

[asian tetley]

Conca a 2 year extension on the back of what ? Who makes these decisions ? Is Dan just told what to do ?

One would assume Blair.
However at that stage Dan was still in charge.
So that's his responsibility.

I've got nothing against Dan as I know he'd be giving 100 per cent.
Ultimately those responsible are the ones who appointed him to the position in the first place ,and then left him there for too long, when it was apparent he was struggling.
Yes that's your goof again Benny & Co.

Dan's fortay was always player contract negotiation, not running a football department.
Not surprising really as the was an excellent player agent.
So it was an example of "not having the right people in the right positions".
Hello Benny.
Hello Peggy