Develop our own

[The_General]

I know in the past, we've had a few folks who have been interested in trading for established players who can make an immediate impact to help our team winning. I don't mean the players like hudson, but soloman and Welsh from Essendon etc.

Well, after the past few weeks, seeing our young kids starting to make their mark at the AFL level, I'd like it if we don't go anywhere near established players. I was quite happy to get Browny, and hopefully when he gets back to full fitness, we'll have a very potent forward line.

I know Miller said at the PRE draft night that we needed to get at least 2 young big guys in the 2 drafts (2005, 2006), and if we don't get 2, we'd trade for one.

Well Greg, unless you can land us J Brown without selling the farm, don't trade for a player. Trade for a pick, and make our own. There's a certain degree of satisfaction watching "kids" like Raines, Pettifer, Newman, Tambling et al deliver some great games. Let's keep that theme going, and develop our own, and leave the trading for established players to clubs like Fremantle and North Melbourne. We've got the seniors to give them some leadership and strong bodies, so stockpile the kids please.

 

[pahoffm]

Yes, I hope so too.

 

[RROFO]

Quite right! Well said!

 

[Rayzorwire]

Spot on General - all the top clubs got there by developing a great core of juniors into prime age players using good coaching methods and discipline.

We may need to handcuff Miller to a pole somewhere (he might be thinking premierships if we could just nab a Solomon/Akermanis type next year!) but I hope he does just what you suggest.

 

[Dallas]

Couldn't agree more. Let's hope there's long memories at the Club now and no more quick-fix merchants.

 

[momentai]

Agree completely General. Trade for more or improved draft picks rather than for established players.

However about eighteen months ago Miller said that at the end of this year we would be looking to pick up an established player who would be out of contract. The way he said it left me with the impression that he already knew who that player was. I have an inkling that the player concerned may be with the Dogs and despite the difficulties I think that there is a real possibility that we will offering some bucks to lure someone over via the PSD, maybe as a means of putting pressure on for a favourable trade deal.

 

[Nik]

totally agree.
to think that richmond's youngsters played that well today, and it's only going to get better if we persist with developing our own as you say.

 

[RemoteTiger]

Yeah - just like the Swans - they love taking draft picks NOT - and they only trade for experience - and they won the premiership and are well in the hunt for back-to-back premierships.

I don't think you can make a bland statement like grow your own! - what if Judd wanted to come back to a Melbourne based club? Or a good CHF or CHB became available? I reckon its better to have a plan to develop your own but also be open to whatever great opportunities arise!

I agree watching the kids develop is great - but I was envious of those Swans supporters last Spetember when they were belting out their team's song long into the night!

Kids can run hot and cold too - its great at the moment - but it was not that long ago we got flogged by 100+ points - twice. A blend of youth and experience makes for a consistent team.

Having said all that - I reckon its best to leave Mr Wallace and Mr Miller to have their hands on the tiller for they are keeping the ship afloat, upright and going forward..............RT

 

[the claw]

I know in the past, we've had a few folks who have been interested in trading for established players who can make an immediate impact to help our team winning. I don't mean the players like hudson, but soloman and Welsh from Essendon etc.

Well, after the past few weeks, seeing our young kids starting to make their mark at the AFL level, I'd like it if we don't go anywhere near established players. I was quite happy to get Browny, and hopefully when he gets back to full fitness, we'll have a very potent forward line.

I know Miller said at the PRE draft night that we needed to get at least 2 young big guys in the 2 drafts (2005, 2006), and if we don't get 2, we'd trade for one.

Well Greg, unless you can land us J Brown without selling the farm, don't trade for a player. Trade for a pick, and make our own. There's a certain degree of satisfaction watching "kids" like Raines, Pettifer, Newman, Tambling et al deliver some great games. Let's keep that theme going, and develop our own, and leave the trading for established players to clubs like Fremantle and North Melbourne. We've got the seniors to give them some leadership and strong bodies, so stockpile the kids please.

couldnt agree more ive been probably one of the biggest proponents of draft as many kids as possible utilising early picks,  and play the kids at any cost on this site.
our list still has many holes in it and i believe we should be endevouring to plug those holes the best way possible. and that is by drafting as many kids as possible utilising early picks. now we have one of the best drafts of all time coming up and we need to be proactive in this draft. i think it imperative that we get at least an extra 1st and 2nd rnd pick this draft.
to do this it may well mean we have to take a step backwards next yr so we can take 5 steps forward the following yrs.so our goals are 2 1st rnders and 2 2nd rnders or 4 picks inside the first 35.
how do we achive this goal well obviously we have to give something decent up without knocking the long term future about to much. we have to understand our most pressing needs and they are kpp especially kpd. and to a lesser degree  skillful inside on ballers with a bit of pace.some may argue we have the latter covered.next we have to identify what players on our list have first round pick currency and are expendable in the long term.
lets say we have 5 players targrted who we want desperately and we are certain all 5 will go in the first 5 picks lets also say we finish 11th  it may be we trade for a really early second rnd pick. and offer up that second rnd pick and our first rnd pick in exchange for a pick inside the first 5.some scenarios for ofloading players are cogs to freo for a 1st and 2nd round pick richo to wce for a 1st rounder krakouer to who ever wants him he wont be missed for a second rnd pick the scenarios are endless. one thing for sure though we will have to give up something decent to obtain 1st round picks this draft but its something i think that needs to be done.

 

[the claw]

Yeah - just like the Swans - they love taking draft picks NOT - and they only trade for experience - and they won the premiership and are well in the hunt for back-to-back premierships.

I don't think you can make a bland statement like grow your own! - what if Judd wanted to come back to a Melbourne based club? Or a good CHF or CHB became available? I reckon its better to have a plan to develop your own but also be open to whatever great opportunities arise!

I agree watching the kids develop is great - but I was envious of those Swans supporters last Spetember when they were belting out their team's song long into the night!

Kids can run hot and cold too - its great at the moment - but it was not that long ago we got flogged by 100+ points - twice. A blend of youth and experience makes for a consistent team.

Having said all that - I reckon its best to leave Mr Wallace and Mr Miller to have their hands on the tiller for they are keeping the ship afloat, upright and going forward..............RT

i wish people would do some home work on teams. the swans list has 29 players who were originally drafted in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds of the nd and rookie draft you can throw in a few zonals as well who are going to be obviously good.. the primary reason the swans can afford to draft players from other clubs atm is the fact that every yr they take 9 rookies.

 

[Rayzorwire]

However about eighteen months ago Miller said that at the end of this year we would be looking to pick up an established player who would be out of contract. The way he said it left me with the impression that he already knew who that player was. I have an inkling that the player concerned may be with the Dogs and despite the difficulties I think that there is a real possibility that we will offering some bucks to lure someone over via the PSD, maybe as a means of putting pressure on for a favourable trade deal.

Probably based on the fact we'll have an unprecedented amount of salary cap room at the end of this season momentai...especially if we've front-ended a couple of contracts to go along with Gaspar and Richo's soon to finish heavily back-ended ones.

We'll most likely have the money to chase a big name mature player...on reflection we may actually NEED to recruit one to be paying the required 92.5%.

 

[The_General]

some scenarios for ofloading players are cogs to freo for a 1st and 2nd round pick richo to wce for a 1st rounder krakouer to who ever wants him he wont be missed for a second rnd pick the scenarios are endless. one thing for sure though we will have to give up something decent to obtain 1st round picks this draft but its something i think that needs to be done.

It'll probably be an unpopular view, but cogs might actually be a very nice drawcard on the trade table. We seem to have quiet a few players who can play as inside midfielders, tuck, johnson, rodan (if he makes it), hyde, polo, foley, whitey. Cogs makes for a very decent comodity. He's had some runs on the board, we have a few players in this group, so someone from here probably makes for decent trade bait. We are going to have to make a hard decision or two this year.

IF we picked up a player in the PSD, that would be something completely different - it''s not costing us draft picks etc. However, 4-5 players in the ND would probably be a preference.

 

[JR8]

Should never trade a Jack Dyer medalist.

 

[North Sea Tiger]

It's nice to develop our own just so that at the end of their careers hopefully we (and they) can look back as one club players who have hopefully helped the side to some success.

 

[RemoteTiger]

Yeah - just like the Swans - they love taking draft picks NOT - and they only trade for experience - and they won the premiership and are well in the hunt for back-to-back premierships.

I don't think you can make a bland statement like grow your own! - what if Judd wanted to come back to a Melbourne based club? Or a good CHF or CHB became available? I reckon its better to have a plan to develop your own but also be open to whatever great opportunities arise!

I agree watching the kids develop is great - but I was envious of those Swans supporters last Spetember when they were belting out their team's song long into the night!

Kids can run hot and cold too - its great at the moment - but it was not that long ago we got flogged by 100+ points - twice. A blend of youth and experience makes for a consistent team.

Having said all that - I reckon its best to leave Mr Wallace and Mr Miller to have their hands on the tiller for they are keeping the ship afloat, upright and going forward..............RT

i wish people would do some home work on teams. the swans list has 29 players who were originally drafted in the 1st 2nd or 3rd rounds of the nd and rookie draft you can throw in a few zonals as well who are going to be obviously good.. the primary reason the swans can afford to draft players from other clubs atm is the fact that every yr they take 9 rookies.

True - they may have been picked up in the national draft - but usually not by the swans - they let another club "blood" the kid then get him for a steal and  mature him into a good footballer - not great but good and consistent! Now that is doing your homework!

Like the racehorses - why buy an unproven 2yo when you can get an experienced racehorse for half the price and win as many races - same philosophy!

 

[gustiger12]

Terry has well and truly put the train in motion.

 

[major spike]

Cant trade Coughlan. It goes against the whole idea of 'Developing our own'. As has been said, he's a Jack Dyer medalist and we've had him since day dot.

To simply trade away such a player because he can be seen as having trade value is stupid. The other players mightn't exactly be inspired by the consequences of such an action either.

He's one of our very best, one we've developed and perhaps a future captain of the club. Dont under-rate what Coughlan gives to our side.

You dont trade away a Mark Coughlan!!!

 

[Tygrys]

Couldn't agree more - lets be ruthless and farsighted in our trading so we can get the picks we need. Not so we can simply be also-rans in the bottom half of the eight but in time genuine premiership contenders. We need to build a dynasty of players that will come through together. Despite our recent results we are still very much in the rebuilding stage. In the long run developing our own will be cheaper and we will get more value out of them, and I think it will just generally give us more satisfaction.

In terms of who should be trade bait. Sorry but to get one of the big gun KPPs in this years draft, I'd trade Mark Coughlan in a heartbeat. He's as tough as nails, but midfielders are a dime a dozen (especially ones with his disposal). KPPs the likes of say a Brown, Tredrea, Hall or a Riewoldt are worth their weight in gold. Not saying that it should be Coughlan - personally so long as it's not one on our untouchable list (Deledio plus a core of other young players) I don't really care who we give away.

But yes - let's definitely develop our own!!!

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

The RFC haven't developed their recruits in the past because we never had the professional off-field staff to develop them.  Now that we have the right staff (and of course a smart coach), we are starting to see the fruits of their labour.  Polo, Raines, Meyer, Foley, Tambling, Pattison,  from the junior level, Pettifer, Hyde, Newman, Krakouer, from the senior group are all bearing the fruits from a lot of hard work & education off & on-field.

 

[TigerForce]

Players such as Pettifer, Krakouer, Hyde, and Newman are reminding me of the 'very good' young senior players that St Kilda had upto 2002 before they blossomed into a top 4 side with their inexperienced youngsters such as Riewoldt, Ball, Haynes, Kossi etc...

If these 'very good' young senior players continue building strength, it will easily help our current crop of kids (Lids, Tambo, Polo, Hughes etc) development and build a top 4 side in the next 5 years or so.