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Dimma is outsmarting sHocking

We are making some huge kicking errors under NO pressure when we have opposition on toast. This happened multiple times against Sydney and Melbourne in the first half and was also on display last night.

for me it depends if this IS us or we can tidy it up As to whether or not we win this year. These are multiple in game 12 point swings. I’ll back us in to sort it out.
 
This might be a good 'possession' 22.

Broad Grimes Balta
Short Flossy Baker
Ralphsmith Bolton Caddy
Stacky Jack Aarts
Shed Lynch CCJ or Chol
Nank Martin Prestia

Int: Cotchin Lambert Graham Astbury.
 
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This don't have skill furphy again. We are blessed to have players like Baker, Short and to a lesser extent Houli delivering from D50. Add the kicking weapon of Balta and you have a great formula under a possession game. Flossy is a good instinctive user and is a good starter of chains from intercepts as is Grimes, Broad is solid. Only Dave is limited creatively with ball in hand but he plays well within these limitations.

Shed, Prestia, Martin, Caddy wonderful users. Graham clutch user playing within limitations as is Lambert. Bolton is a freak where ball use doesn't come into it. He just wills the impossible. Cotchin was a good user. A bit more problematic now but his role is extractor, exemplar and battering ram.

For big blokes Nank is a very good decision maker and user. Jack is a Gem. Cholly is excellent in this area and CCJ not a chump.

Smalls Aarts is very good and Rioli is feast or famine

Our poor or meh users are Lynch, Pickett, Kmac, Castagna, Dave (maybe Broad)

We can now nail this new game plan and we have the bonus of going into the bag when we have to and pull out the pressure/meterage game when we need to.

I'd actually like to see Stacky and Ralphsmith ( or Dow or Cumberland) come in over time, maybe to replace Kmac and Castagna to increase our skill and decision making quotient even more.

Spot on. The idea that we are a lesser skilled side is a furphy.

I remember unskilled Richmond sides and we ain't one of them
 
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Also on the title I am glad Dimma is outsmarting them again. Just wished he could have started this about week 5 or 6 rather than 11 as right from the Carlton game teams were just waltzing through us from D50.

Similarly I am glad Dimma decided to play our team to their strengths but maybe year 3 or 4 might have been nice rather than year 8.
 
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Lot of talk about a territory game over the last few years. You get the ball towards your goal and lock it in there until you can create an opportunity to score. Makes for a slower game but helps teams who can gain territory and defend territory. We were the best at this because we would just move the ball forward any way we could - taps, handballs, kicks, whatever, then set up behind the ball while trying to lock it in our forward line.

The new rules seem to have made space which means territory is much harder to defend. There is enough space to get out with short kicks and once there is space, there is space to run. In the past few years look at how hard it was for opposition teams to get that short switch across the ground - how many times did we see Richmond intercept these? The long switch right across the backline has had some effect on us over the last few years but it takes long enough to give time for the defence to set up.

The more open play has made centre clearances and contested possessions more important and we clearly need to work on these. Look at Melbourne, they are winning clearances and contested ball, plus, they always have an outlet, there is always someone waiting for the ball and a couple more to get the outnumber and the overlap possessions. It is a hard game to play fitness wise but if you can pull it off it is very effective.

I don't watch many games other than our own but I have noticed that when teams get a run on they score quickly. Last night was a perfect example. We were seemingly powerless to stop Essendon once they got going, we barely got a possession and goals were impossible to stop, the same applied the other way when we wrested control. I'd need to watch a replay (which I don't do) to see how we got control back.

But the question is, how are teams like Melbourne, who have the lowest points against at the moment, stopping scoring by the opposition when the opposition is in control? I suspect everyone is looking at what they do and trying to work it all out. It would be interesting to see their defensive structures as we seem to get scored against whenever the ball goes behind a pack in our defensive 50, do Melbourne just have more players back there?

I also think we need another tall back now, teams are playing more tall marking forwards and our defence is too short at the moment.

As for the rules, I think there is certainly a dislike of Richmond amongst f***heads like SHocking. But, if you look at the game and decide it needs to open up, you look at the champs to see the most effective version of bottling up the game. Any rule change is going to disadvantage the team which is the best at playing under the existing rules. The biggest problem with the rule changes is that they try and confect a particular outcome and do so in ways that change the nature of the game. I still oppose 6-6-6 because the only restriction on movement in Australian Football has been the centre square up to now - it is a fundamental of Australian Football that there are no restrictions on player positioning, in short, we have no off side. It makes the game what it is. The player standing on the mark and unable to move is more about creating an outnumber for the attacking side, it takes a player out of the equation for the team without the ball, it is a confected way to advantage attack. Plus, the statue on the mark is open to interpretation which is a killer of consistent adjudication. The difference between an umpire calling stand or not is big, the decision of an umpire to call a player back to kick over the mark can be crucial - there was one last night when the umpire called advantage but Essendon wanted the ball back, yet when the Essendon player got the ball back he wasn't called to get behind the mark - if the player taking the kick is protected, and, allowed to play on from a position not behind the mark, it is an unfair advantage. Yet again inconsistent application of the rules (which are too vague and open to interpretation) provides for inconsistent advantage, and the advantage is skewed to help attack as that is what the AFL wants.

Richmond are starting to adapt but it won't be simple because we have a particular group of players who suit the territory game, it is part of the reason why we tend to be shorter than the opposition. I would go taller because we need to open up the forward line and that can be done by having multiple targets spreading when the ball comes in. We also need more height in defence as we concede too many marks in our defence. But sacrificing speed is also problematic. The balance has shifted and getting it just right takes some doing.

DS
We’ll said.

My issue with the rule changes are that they have undermined forward planning clubs like Richmond and added an element of randomness that has favored other clubs, at least in the short term.

Hardwick and co. clearly saw the future trend of the game from as far back 2014 and recruited accordingly. By 2017 we had a side stacked full of runners and were best placed to exploit a pressure based gameplan. Plenty of teams (*cough* Geelong) bet big on contested possession, clearances and ball retention which we were perfectly setup to exploit.

The AFL, not liking what they saw decide to interfere in the natural evolution of the game through rule changes, some of which were specifically target at our game style. The result is that some clubs find themselves in an enviable position to exploit the new rules, not through foresight and good planning but more through pure luck. Others, specifically Richmond, are now playing catch up and not through any fault of there own.

Let the game evolve naturally or at the very least test proposed rule changes thoroughly and give clubs plenty of notice before implementing them.
 
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My impression is that there has been a distinct change in game plan the last 2 weeks. Perhaps it is to do with return of the starting midfield. But my impression is we have adopted the Melbourne all out stoppage attack, which is making for bigger scores. It is also overcoming us getting bogged down in defence and struggling to move it forward. As a result our whole forward line looks more effective, including the small forwards.

Useful timing with games against Adelaide bombers and a weakened Eagles to change up the style.

I must say the games are aesthetically pleasing to watch, particularly with big men clunking marks.
No doubt , most noticeable off HB where we were generally very direct or straight into corridor , now a bit of patience and almost always a transition kick before going forward , I’m gonna guess more play on with a handball off the mark too .
 
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Good to see players taking on the tackler As umpires aren’t paying holding the ball
By standing up and taking their time to dispose of the ball Now everyone’s whinging because we’re doing what every other teams does
 
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We’ll said.

My issue with the rule changes are that they have undermined forward planning clubs like Richmond and added an element of randomness that has favored other clubs, at least in the short term.

Hardwick and co. clearly saw the future trend of the game from as far back 2014 and recruited accordingly. By 2017 we had a side stacked full of runners and were best placed to exploit a pressure based gameplan. Plenty of teams (*cough* Geelong) bet big on contested possession, clearances and ball retention which we were perfectly setup to exploit.

The AFL, not liking what they saw decide to interfere in the natural evolution of the game through rule changes, some of which were specifically target at our game style. The result is that some clubs find themselves in an enviable position to exploit the new rules, not through foresight and good planning but more through pure luck. Others, specifically Richmond, are now playing catch up and not through any fault of there own.

Let the game evolve naturally or at the very least test proposed rule changes thoroughly and give clubs plenty of notice before implementing them.

One thing I would add - if you try out a new rule at a lower level and it is a disaster area (see the limits on player positions at a stoppage in the VFL) then don't implement it at the senior level and get rid of it as soon as possible, like now.

DS
 
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Good to see players taking on the tackler As umpires aren’t paying holding the ball
By standing up and taking their time to dispose of the ball Now everyone’s whinging because we’re doing what every other teams does
Yep wb and cats pioneered it , everyone copying now
 
Also on the title I am glad Dimma is outsmarting them again. Just wished he could have started this about week 5 or 6 rather than 11 as right from the Carlton game teams were just waltzing through us from D50.

Similarly I am glad Dimma decided to play our team to their strengths but maybe year 3 or 4 might have been nice rather than year 8.
Guess it just took Dimma a little while to learn how to coach in the first place and then another little while to slightly restructure his previously highly successful game style to suit the new rules. Doesn't help trying to outsmart the admins new rules when your premium midfield is all broken down n parked in the back paddock.
 
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This don't have skill furphy again. We are blessed to have players like Baker, Short and to a lesser extent Houli delivering from D50. Add the kicking weapon of Balta and you have a great formula under a possession game. Flossy is a good instinctive user and is a good starter of chains from intercepts as is Grimes, Broad is solid. Only Dave is limited creatively with ball in hand but he plays well within these limitations.

Shed, Prestia, Martin, Caddy wonderful users. Graham clutch user playing within limitations as is Lambert. Bolton is a freak where ball use doesn't come into it. He just wills the impossible. Cotchin was a good user. A bit more problematic now but his role is extractor, exemplar and battering ram.

For big blokes Nank is a very good decision maker and user. Jack is a Gem. Cholly is excellent in this area and CCJ not a chump.

Smalls Aarts is very good and Rioli is feast or famine

Our poor or meh users are Lynch, Pickett, Kmac, Castagna, Dave (maybe Broad)

We can now nail this new game plan and we have the bonus of going into the bag when we have to and pull out the pressure/meterage game when we need to.

I'd actually like to see Stacky and Ralphsmith ( or Dow or Cumberland) come in over time, maybe to replace Kmac and Castagna to increase our skill and decision making quotient even more.
don't take it as a pure read on the guys you mention Lamby, it's just that we do have a few pressure types (george, kmac, etc) who's one-wood certainly ain't field passing.

the key point here is that chris scott would never allow his recruitment guys to bring them in. we did and we have a few flags in the cabinet.

are we skilled enough to pull off a possession style? my gut says not really, certainly based on some of our passing last night, but the answer may be moot anyway - we haven't trained it for several years. like i've said in the thread, I think possession is a means to an end, because games will close up in September.

no way teams will pull the trigger on 45m inboard slices in a preliminary final. september is chaos land.
 
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and yes, if CJ and Tom and control the skies in F50, Riewoldt getting as many goal assists as Dusty is a premiership cup winner.

you get the feeling Dimma is angling to pull this scenario off ASAP, like a shark closing in but trying to be stealthy. as soon as we saw the first data point (Adelaide) Nank went down and we weren't prepared to pull the trigger on Ryan.

interesting times. I like Riewoldt high for so many reasons, not least of which it preserves his body a little longer.
 
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and yes, if CJ and Tom and control the skies in F50, Riewoldt getting as many goal assists as Dusty is a premiership cup winner.

you get the feeling Dimma is angling to pull this scenario off ASAP, like a shark closing in but trying to be stealthy. as soon as we saw the first data point (Adelaide) Nank went down and we weren't prepared to pull the trigger on Ryan.

interesting times. I like Riewoldt high for so many reasons, not least of which it preserves his body a little longer.
.luv the r/v higher concept as no better option assessment & both side field kick
.but acceleration & tank may leave wing vulnerable to run offs as per caddy.
.big fan of cj lynch combo & jack roaming licence tho.
 
.luv the r/v higher concept as no better option assessment & both side field kick
.but acceleration & tank may leave wing vulnerable to run offs as per caddy.
.big fan of cj lynch combo & jack roaming licence tho.
Jack has the rat cunning to always be in the contest I don’t often see him caught in no mans land putting in yards looking like it’s the three legged race at the picnics . I think this will be the theme of our ‘21 campaign , sure it took to r11 however without our rolls Royce engine room available it was hard to get a line on precisely where our problems were. I get a sense that going tall with more patient entries means a more threatening attack