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??? Tigers of Old said:
Patto = 28 kicks for the year. at 83% hit ratio that means 5 kicks havent hit targets.
Lids = 80 kicks for the year. at 78% thats 17 kicks that havent hit targets.
make of that what you will, but if you multiply pattos kicks x 2.855 to give a total around the same as Lids and then multiply the misses by 2.855, Patto would have missed the target 14.275 times out of 80. So his stats are fairly close to Lidsy's.
Leysy Days said:
interpreted like that, yeah they are. But they do say that Patto is generally making pretty good decision with the ball.
Leysy Days said:
As i said - make of them what you will.
Perosnally, i think stats are totally misleading. What does it mean to be the best tackling side in the comepetition? Does it mean you are tough and agressive or you cant get the ball and you have poor skill levels. What a sh!t stat that is. So, make of them what you will
One of the problems with stats is that it is very difficult to measure the effectiveness of each touch.
For example, every week we see countless examples from every team where the ball is held 60-70m from goal and kicked sideways to buy a bit more time. That is an efficient kick. There may be 4 efficient kicks until an inefficient one turns it over, so the kicking ratio on that little exchange is 80%, which is considered respectable.
The reality is that nothing was achieved. How does this compare to a contested situation in traffic where a player gets his hand to the ball and pushes it a metre to his right, freeing up a team-mate who collects, runs 30m and kicks 50m onto the FF's chest? Or a forward who makes a contest when he is out of position and creates a crumb? Or a player who makes a lead when he is exhausted and takes a defender with him, creating the space that leads to a goal?
Those little things are not even stats. It seems to me that simply counting kicks, marks and handballs, and distinguishing between good ones and bad ones is just the start.
When I watch footy, one of the things I look for is the player who is the first to get his hands on the ball when the other team have it. When we kick a goal, I always ask "Who got his hands to the ball first?"
Those touches (they may not even be stats) are critical and, in my opinion, win games.
For example, every week we see countless examples from every team where the ball is held 60-70m from goal and kicked sideways to buy a bit more time. That is an efficient kick. There may be 4 efficient kicks until an inefficient one turns it over, so the kicking ratio on that little exchange is 80%, which is considered respectable.
The reality is that nothing was achieved. How does this compare to a contested situation in traffic where a player gets his hand to the ball and pushes it a metre to his right, freeing up a team-mate who collects, runs 30m and kicks 50m onto the FF's chest? Or a forward who makes a contest when he is out of position and creates a crumb? Or a player who makes a lead when he is exhausted and takes a defender with him, creating the space that leads to a goal?
Those little things are not even stats. It seems to me that simply counting kicks, marks and handballs, and distinguishing between good ones and bad ones is just the start.
When I watch footy, one of the things I look for is the player who is the first to get his hands on the ball when the other team have it. When we kick a goal, I always ask "Who got his hands to the ball first?"
Those touches (they may not even be stats) are critical and, in my opinion, win games.
TOT70 said:
Exactly leysy's views TOT, the stats we use are massively overrated in our game, moreso around here.
OK so what do people think are the best stats to measure performance by?
I'd say: contested possessions, handball receives, tackles, clearances from all stoppages (not just centre square), goal kicking efficiency from fwd 50 entries, shepherds perhaps.
I'd say: contested possessions, handball receives, tackles, clearances from all stoppages (not just centre square), goal kicking efficiency from fwd 50 entries, shepherds perhaps.
I reckon contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s and scores per inside 50 are a good indicator (just plucking a couple out of the multitute of ones there are).
dont use em at all trust your eyes.IanG said:
the only time i use em is to corroborate something.ie i might think sheesh foley has had a shedload of it it may turn out hes only had two possessions. but my eyes arent wrong it tells me hes in the play getting to contests competeing and doing the 1percenters. two kicks for a quarter doesnt necesarily mean a player has been quite.
ah stats they are *smile* those who use them invariable use them and distort them to support their point of view. no people trust your eyes forget the stats.
the claw said:
Why is it never possible that the answer could just be a considered synthesis of both approaches? Either/or attitudes are usually just as suspect.