Do our recruiting staff have their heads in the clouds??

[Al Bundy]

It's time to make a call on the following players.....

Start looking Jackson

To end the mediocrity I think we need to look outside the square a bit and trade a player or two who have a bit of currency to get the type of players we need for a premiership charge. We need players who will put in week in week out rather than ones who can do cameos every few weeks when things go their way.

I'm sure we've got a couple who the outside world rate a bit but our coaches know they can't be relied on when the chips are down.

All we seem to do is get rid of out of contract and past their use by date players and get nothing for them. Will be very interested to see how agressive and pro-active we are this trade season seeing we've had a decent cleanout the last couple of years.

I mentioned on another thread that I believe we can use Pettifer & a 2nd round draft pick maybe as he has currency to go for AKA. AKA plays the same role & through the midfeild. He has grunt & will be awesome for the kids around him to have such a player at RFC.
Just a thought. Not sure if we have anyone else to trade with this. Maybe Hartigan / Hyde as well in the deal.

We must though keep our 1st pick no matter what & get the best KPP player available not a midfielder.

 

[AngryAnt]

I mentioned on another thread that I believe we can use Pettifer & a 2nd round draft pick maybe as he has currency to go for AKA. AKA plays the same role & through the midfeild. He has grunt & will be awesome for the kids around him to have such a player at RFC.
Just a thought. Not sure if we have anyone else to trade with this. Maybe Hartigan / Hyde as well in the deal.

We must though keep our 1st pick no matter what & get the best KPP player available not a midfielder.

Three young players showing a bit for an over-the-hill top-up player? No way. If we had a chance to win the flag next year - maybe.

Actually not even then.

Agree on getting a KPP though.

 

[mb64]

Of course it is, my attitude is the cause of all this.  Poor and typically boring response.  Now let's start again as I think you missed the point.  You CANNOT physically replace 8 players a year and expect to attain quality replacement players.  Get it now?

Yes, we all blame you personally GoodOne.   You are a disgrace!

On the other hand it is impossible to maintain a list unless you add at least 6 new players a year to it.  Even that assumes an average playing life of almost 6 years per player.

Agree,An injection of 6 new players a year make sense.

 

[the claw]

mate you just trot out the same old crap every time...and i quote " i wrote to greg miller blah blah blah" who gives a rat who you wrote and who the hell do you think you are anyway some sort of GURU....so how about you as you put it "stuff off"

Claw honestly thinks that our opinions here are really what makes or breaks the Richmond footy club. 

If Claw writes a letter to Greg Miller then Miller is obviously a fool for not doing what an internet crackpot suggests.  If by coincidence he does do what Claw suggests then Claw struts around thinking "All my own work".  On the other hand if anyone here praises a player who Claw thinks is not up to it then obviously we are "responsible" for the club's sh!teful record over the past 25 years.

Claw - this is an internet forum.  What any of us says here means stuff all in terms of strategic decision making at the club.   At most they would use this site as a barometer of supporter feeling - nothing more.

I come here to discuss the Tigers for "enjoyment" but have no illusions about whether anything I ever say means stuff all to anyone else.

Happy posting.

the only reason i brought up the miller letter was to make a point. that the contents of the reply yes it was acknowledged clearly showed acceptance of serious kpp deficiencies 5 yrs ago. now 5 yrs on the kpp situation is worse.the logical conclusion is someones not doing his job very well.
and unlike most ferals on here i certainly have no illusions about who listens to who and who pays attention to a web site. the only time any club gets interested in its supporters is when theres some good pr to be had or they want some money.like politicians they hold all in contempt.

 

[tigerfan1961]

Go back two years, we were short a ruckman, key forwards, fast midfielders, small backmen and key backmen. Not easy to fix in two drafts.

Exactly- how the hell are the recruiters meant to fix an entire list in 2 drafts. In addition, injuries are not helping us at all. McGuane may develop into the defender we need. Compare our list to that when TW took over- it is infinately better. No more Houlihan, Hilton, Fletcher, Nichols, Fiora, Marsh etc

 

[Ian4]

Yes we lack key defenders, but when there is no pressure from midfielders and forwards on the opposition what hope do the defenders have?

How many times did they score a goal from the kick out after we scored a point?

How many 50m penalties did we give away?

How many turnovers did we have leaving everyone flat footed?

Why didn't we have a loose man in defence filling in the hole?

Why was noone playing on Gram?

Does anyone at Richmond who is not a defender know what playing on your man is like?

I really question our game plan sometimes, but surely when you don't have the ball shouldn't you find an opponent and stick to him?

this more to the point. i don't have so much issues with the gameplan, but it just seems when we make a mistakes, teams always make us pay for them.

As long as you remember that we still have to look at getting more midfielders, as footy now is a running game....the Bulldogs have shown this season that you don't need a plethora of big KPP to play attacking, high-scoring footy.
Today's game is a running game, and if anything thats what we lack the most, not KPP.

yep, getting midfielders are more important that KP backman imo

When was the last time we won by 100 points ? This side is not capable of a 100 point win, all theese ifs & buts, the bottom line is that we are an average side, we have a long way to go to see some glory the way things are going.

thats an interesting point. the bottom team kicked 25 goals last night. we are not capable of kicking 25 goals in a game. we don't need KP defenders, we need goal kicking midfielders.

People like Dermott can sit there and bag us for not taking KPP in 04 draft but I think that is crap.

Heard dermott saying on radio yesterday that we did not completely rebuild which starts from the bookends, drafting quality backman and forwards before the midfeilders.

i heard that and couldn't stop laughing. he's just trying to justify not drafting tambling. if you have a pick in the of 10 of the draft, you pick the best available player.

I don't know the story of yesterdays game, and don't think I'll watch a replay to find out, but I feel our defence is too often under siege because of the performance of our midfield and the amount we turn to ball over around our CHF position, and we were always going to be in trouble with a makeshift defence yesterday if the midfield and forward line didn't prevent the ball getting down there too often.

thats exactly how it was yesterday Rosy. as another poster said, it appears tw wanted to play head to head against them to see where we're at. must have been an eye opener for him...

 

[AngryAnt]

mate you just trot out the same old crap every time...and i quote " i wrote to greg miller blah blah blah" who gives a rat who you wrote and who the hell do you think you are anyway some sort of GURU....so how about you as you put it "stuff off"

Claw honestly thinks that our opinions here are really what makes or breaks the Richmond footy club.

If Claw writes a letter to Greg Miller then Miller is obviously a fool for not doing what an internet crackpot suggests. If by coincidence he does do what Claw suggests then Claw struts around thinking "All my own work". On the other hand if anyone here praises a player who Claw thinks is not up to it then obviously we are "responsible" for the club's sh!teful record over the past 25 years.

Claw - this is an internet forum. What any of us says here means stuff all in terms of strategic decision making at the club. At most they would use this site as a barometer of supporter feeling - nothing more.

I come here to discuss the Tigers for "enjoyment" but have no illusions about whether anything I ever say means stuff all to anyone else.

Happy posting.

the only reason i brought up the miller letter was to make a point. that the contents of the reply yes it was acknowledged clearly showed acceptance of serious kpp deficiencies 5 yrs ago. now 5 yrs on the kpp situation is worse.the logical conclusion is someones not doing his job very well.
and unlike most ferals on here i certainly have no illusions about who listens to who and who pays attention to a web site. the only time any club gets interested in its supporters is when theres some good pr to be had or they want some money.like politicians they hold all in contempt.

The "ferals" don't - they are on here to support and discuss the team. You do - otherwise you wouldn't start saying that people on here are "responsible" for the team's performance just for expressing an opinion.

By the way, nobody cares if Greg Miller sent you a form letter a few years back Claw.

 

[Skills]

I like Buddy aswell, he is awesome to watch, but Tambling is aleady a better mark than him.

Still reckon Franklin is ahead at this stage.

Yes he is a better player, and probably will be a better player but for now Tambling is a better mark.

Lets hope his kicking and ball winning ability compliment his marking checkside; Tambling could turn out to be the complete footballer.

 

[Al Bundy]

I mentioned on another thread that I believe we can use Pettifer & a 2nd round draft pick maybe as he has currency to go for AKA. AKA plays the same role & through the midfeild. He has grunt & will be awesome for the kids around him to have such a player at RFC.
Just a thought. Not sure if we have anyone else to trade with this. Maybe Hartigan / Hyde as well in the deal.

We must though keep our 1st pick no matter what & get the best KPP player available not a midfielder.

Three young players showing a bit for an over-the-hill top-up player? No way. If we had a chance to win the flag next year - maybe.

Actually not even then.

Agree on getting a KPP though.

Sorry prob wasn't clear, I meant to use of one of three maybe in a deal, not all of them.
And aka is far from being over the hill.

 

[tigersforever06]

T

Yep.
Well I did say something about key position players a couple of years ago.
Everyone said I was wrong, and we picked up the best available - outside flankers.

What else can I say?

Hopefully Francis Jackson will do something about it this draft.

phanto that makes 2 of us. ive related this story befoire. i wrote to one g miller the first yr he came to the club and bemoaned the kp crisis yes crisis and you know what? i got a reply and a  recognicion of it. but in what 4  5yrs he has done stuff all to rectify it.

Claw,
I would have thought McGuane, Thursfield, Moore, Pattison, Schulz, etc were KPP drafted in the last 4-5 years?
You have to give these kids time, especially as you have been one of the advocates of playing the kids!
Hawthorn are in a similar position, where the other night, they had Danny Jacobs out, one of their 'experienced' backmen....and had players like Dawson and Murphy thrown to the wolves against bigger/stronger/experienced opponents like Rocca and Tarrant.
Until the kids develop, muscle-up, get more experience, then the workload will continue to fall on Richo, Gas, Kellaway, etc.
In this draft, if we get another 2 KPP to supplement the ones we already have, then I think our key position stocks aren't as low as you think.
As long as you remember that we still have to look at getting more midfielders, as footy now is a running game....the Bulldogs have shown this season that you don't need a plethora of big KPP to play attacking, high-scoring footy.
Today's game is a running game, and if anything thats what we lack the most, not KPP.

Exactly which one of the above higlighted is a key position defender

Ill tell you Thursfield, and maybe *smile* thats it

Moore is not up to it, Pattison is a developing forward/ruck, mcguane is a flanker.

This thread is about key position defenders, not KPP fowrads and rucks

 

[richards42]

As i wrote yesterday in another thread before the match, we need to recruit one from another club in this trade period.Canidates?
Thornton from carlton, young enuff and would suit our list. give em krack and hall.
Polak from freo.
Chaplin from port
The player I want most would be matty mcguire from the saints but we'd be no hope of satisfying them.

ps u can add Mcpharlin to that list.Gee if there was anyway of getting him i'd be stoked. I'd send cogs and krack back to wa for that deal.

 

[the claw]

mate you just trot out the same old crap every time...and i quote " i wrote to greg miller blah blah blah" who gives a rat who you wrote and who the hell do you think you are anyway some sort of GURU....so how about you as you put it "stuff off"

Claw honestly thinks that our opinions here are really what makes or breaks the Richmond footy club. 

If Claw writes a letter to Greg Miller then Miller is obviously a fool for not doing what an internet crackpot suggests.  If by coincidence he does do what Claw suggests then Claw struts around thinking "All my own work".  On the other hand if anyone here praises a player who Claw thinks is not up to it then obviously we are "responsible" for the club's sh!teful record over the past 25 years.

Claw - this is an internet forum.  What any of us says here means stuff all in terms of strategic decision making at the club.   At most they would use this site as a barometer of supporter feeling - nothing more.

I come here to discuss the Tigers for "enjoyment" but have no illusions about whether anything I ever say means stuff all to anyone else.

Happy posting.

the only reason i brought up the miller letter was to make a point. that the contents of the reply yes it was acknowledged clearly showed acceptance of serious kpp deficiencies 5 yrs ago. now 5 yrs on the kpp situation is worse.the logical conclusion is someones not doing his job very well.
and unlike most ferals on here i certainly have no illusions about who listens to who and who pays attention to a web site. the only time any club gets interested in its supporters is when theres some good pr to be had or they want some money.like politicians they hold all in contempt.

The "ferals" don't - they are on here to support and discuss the team.  You do - otherwise you wouldn't start saying that people on here are "responsible" for the team's performance just for expressing an opinion.

By the way, nobody cares if Greg Miller sent you a form letter a few years back Claw. 

no you dont care if miller sent out a letter. and you obviously dont care about the information in that letter no you would prefer to live in ignorant bliss. i really expect that sort of attitude from someone who comes across as a smug condescending knowitall. as you do, and you shouldnt   speak for others either very rude indeed..and you are just a tad slow arent ya. its not about the letter sheesh did i mention some people are   slow.. i would have thought most people would be interested to know the head of recruiting acknowledged 5 yrs ago a problem with our list and in those 5 yrs has done little to fix the problem. but heh i shouldnt really expect anything less from you  real supporters you know the real supporters who stick their head in the sand and pretend every ones a champ and those running the show never get anything wrong.
 supporting and discussing the team  is that what you do on this site but those who disagree with you obviously dont. well im certainly glad there are some on here who refuse to support the many mediocre facets of the club. i suppose that makes em non supporters.and ya know although you cant see it you are not alone in your support of the club and i would have thought anyone who types a reply onj this site enters a discussion so your certainly not on your lonesome there either.  

 

[AngryAnt]

no you dont care if miller sent out a letter. and you obviously dont care about the information in that letter no you would prefer to live in ignorant bliss.

So some years ago Greg Miller wrote in a letter that we are looking for a key position player. WELL BLOW ME DOWN WHAT A SHOCK!!!! And as others have pointed out we have recruited a heap of KPPs - whether they have come good yet is another question. So your fascinating insight into Greg's mind is worth not a whole lot Claw.

Claw I don't claim to have special knowledge. I am just a fan who goes to the footy most weeks and reads whatever I can along the way. And I am far from "ignorant bliss" as you call it - I have been to nine games this year - including two 100 point losses. How many have you been to Claw? Yeah - I was there yesterday watching the procession of St Kilda goals and I was sitting near the Saints cheer squad as well.

If someone doesn't agree with your opinions they are "head in the sand", or "ferals", or whatever. So please don't tell me I am "rude" or a "know-all" just because I happen to disagree with you and call you out. Its exactly what you do.

We all understand the situation the club is in but we choose to be positive or at least critical in a constructive way. The problem is you really think that whinging about DUDS on a forum will make a scrap of difference. It won't. The club are the professionals, we are the fans. I am all for discussion because that's what the forum is for. But don't think having a crack at "ignorant ferals" because you once got a letter from Greg impresses me. 'Cos it don't mate.

 

[Knighter]

Ripper post Ant.

 

[GoodOne]

It amazes me to no end as well that some of the rudest posters on this forum can then turn around and call others rude for reacting to their comments. Always think its wise to look in your own backyard first.

This use of the 'feral' word is in my opinion condescending and a lack of respect for others. And this word used purely because some prefer to look to the future, and use energy highlighting the positives rather than dwell on dark, black clouds of the past. This does not mean that you are ignorant of the past or the present, far from it. But one could assume it is an inditement of your own personality, when no matter what the situation, the negatives of the situation are highlighted.

If football is now a business, which it is, I would just say importantly that business success is borne out of positiveness and looking ahead, not crying over the what could have beens of the past.

We are all entitled a view, but the use of words such as 'ferals' and 'darksiders' are just very unnecessary words, and a reason I do not use these in any of my posts.

Totally agree with Antman, the comments on here are of no consequence to the Richmond Football Club other than a gauge of supporter satisfaction and dissatisfaction (which usually correlaes directly with winning this week or losing this week). To think otherwise is an inflation of ones own ego, nothing more.

 

[Liverpool]

i would have thought most people would be interested to know the head of recruiting acknowledged 5 yrs ago a problem with our list and in those 5 yrs has done little to fix the problem.  

Claw,
I don't know about that claim....in the last 5 years, our list (and let's look at talls specifically) has changed dramatically.
So don't know what you're getting at regarding the club "doing nothing to fix the problem"...admittedly, some have been, in hindsight, poor choices at the draft-table, but all clubs have a record of players they wished they never drafted/traded, etc.
Over the last 5 years, we've lost players such as Benny Gale, Brad Ottens, Ben Harrison, and Ben Holland.

These have been the ins, for players over 190cm...let me know if I missed anyone:

2001
Aaron James

2002
Jay Schulz

2003
Shane Morrison

2004
Ben Marsh
Adam Pattison
Luke McGuane
Dean Limbach
Mark Graham
Troy Simmonds
Kelvin Moore

2005
Cleve Hughes
Trent Knobel
Patrick Bowden
Will Thursfield
Angus Graham

As you can see, especially since Wallace took over, we have drafted some big kids....but you have to be patient Claw with some of these.

 

[tigersforever06]

It amazes me to no end as well that some of the rudest posters on this forum can then turn around and call others rude for reacting to their comments.  Always think its wise to look in your own backyard first.

This use of the 'feral' word is in my opinion condescending and a lack of respect for others.  And this word used purely because some prefer to look to the future, and  use energy highlighting the positives rather than dwell on dark, black clouds of the past.  This does not mean that you are ignorant of the past or the present, far from it.  But one could assume it is an inditement of your own personality, when no matter what the situation, the negatives of the situation are highlighted.

If football is now a business, which it is, I would just say importantly that business success is borne out of positiveness and looking ahead, not crying over the what could have beens of the past.

We are all entitled a view, but the use of words such as 'ferals' and 'darksiders' are just very unnecessary words, and a reason I do not use these in any of my posts.

Totally agree with Antman, the comments on here are of no consequence to the Richmond Football Club other than a gauge of supporter satisfaction and dissatisfaction (which usually correlaes directly with winning this week or losing this week). To think otherwise is an inflation of ones own ego, nothing more.

Yep lets leave it in the hands of the coaching staff

After all, that has brought us much success in the past hey  : : :

 

[Rayzorwire]

Gaspar and Kellaway have both been good defenders for the club for most of their time with us, but people seem to forget that they've been around for a decade and we've made the finals once during their careers. Not because they haven't been good players, but because so much of the rest of the side has been ordinary - especially our onball brigade.

If the last decade isn't enough of a history lesson for us regarding KP defenders, then what exactly will it take for people to engage with reality?

Here we have people lamenting the imminent retirement of both these players, yet they seem to forget that for almost all Gaspar and Kellaway's careers they've played in an unsuccessful side who got flogged regularly for exactly the same reason our side of today gets flogged without them playing - an uncompetitive midfield.

Without serious midfield improvement (and I think we're gradually getting there), it wouldn't make a scrap of genuine difference to our future success if both were freshly drafted as rejuvenated 20yo's.