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Do we need to target an experienced ruckman.
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Rockster said:
Mmmmmmmmm, I don't know what has got into me over the last two weeks, this super nova performance by Richard has blinded me. 8)
The_General said:
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Everytime I saw big Graham do well yesterday I thought of that - how Rosy and PRE put together a fund to raise money for a Tiger Rookie - it makes me proud to be part of the Tiger family when you see something like that bear fruit.
Stick with Graham not only is he developong into a good ruckman but he got his start in part from donations from the Richmond faithful.
IMO it is a great story unfolding......RT
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Bill James
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I think the man who started this thread started the Rookie fund with $100 as I recall. However Graham was the first Rookie taken so it was really a bit of spin from Miller that made Graham the PRE rookie, if we funded an additional rookie then by rights it was .....................Cameron Howat.RemoteTiger said:
Yes thats right ladies and gentelmen Graham was our first pick, Jeremy Humm our second (what would a RFC draft be without a recyled hack) and Howat was our third pick, we passed on our fourth and fifth picks after which 6 more players were taken of which three are still playing Stiller 50 games, Logan 38 games and McGlynn 28. Nothing special but they compare pretty well to Humm (1 game) and a lot of our 1st round draft picks so we might as well load up, its a lottery people but you have to be in it to win it.
NO MORE TRADING FOR OTHERS SCRAPS!!!
That needs to be a rule made in our trading and drafting from here on in.
I have had it, I do not care, if we are going to make a mistake, make it younger, take more chances on the draft and the rookie draft.
We have so much dead wood, I really do not know where to start in the culling of the list.
I analysed for a long time over the list in response to a question from jb03 about Daniel Jackson.
To my absolute astonishment I counted 11 players I rate worst than Dan, and I really don't rate Dan. It blew my mind. This club is running on quick sand and it will take something extreme to turn this around.
Then on top of that 11 I didn't count juniors who haven't proven anything and a couple of mature recruits who have not been given a chance.
The mind boggles.
No more.
We have Angus Graham, Andrew Browne and Tyrone Vickery. Stick with that through better or worst for the next couple of years, and keep recruiting one ruckman on the main list and one or two on the rookie list per year. We may then solve our ruck woes.
That needs to be a rule made in our trading and drafting from here on in.
I have had it, I do not care, if we are going to make a mistake, make it younger, take more chances on the draft and the rookie draft.
We have so much dead wood, I really do not know where to start in the culling of the list.
I analysed for a long time over the list in response to a question from jb03 about Daniel Jackson.
To my absolute astonishment I counted 11 players I rate worst than Dan, and I really don't rate Dan. It blew my mind. This club is running on quick sand and it will take something extreme to turn this around.
Then on top of that 11 I didn't count juniors who haven't proven anything and a couple of mature recruits who have not been given a chance.
The mind boggles.
No more.
We have Angus Graham, Andrew Browne and Tyrone Vickery. Stick with that through better or worst for the next couple of years, and keep recruiting one ruckman on the main list and one or two on the rookie list per year. We may then solve our ruck woes.
Bill James said:
Ouch, well you rather punctured that PRE myth. Still I glad they pretended that it was Gus who was the extra rookie, he wrote some funny stories for that rookie update.
I'll go against the mob. Agree with the posters on our need for skilled KP & midfielders is greater. Agree that we need to take a long term view and try to develop our own. However, if we can get a Seaby from WC, Hampson from the Blues or even say Goldstein from NM for a Pick 90 odd, we should at least consider it. When you are trying to develop kids, you must have some big bodies to protect them on the field.
I believe you should have at least 3 if not 4 genuie rucks on your list to cover injuries. Simmo is gone. I know Gus played ok on Sunday but......Marty Pyke. Still is a long way off. On what I have seen of him at Coburg/Richmond, I am still not convinced he will make it. Ranga is at least 2 years away, again if he makes it. Patto is not a Ruckman, end of story. Love the bloke's work ethic but his skills are deplorable. From what I have seen of both Vickery/Putt, I see them more as KP fowards with the occasional run in the ruck rather than pure Ruckmen.
This means we have Gus, Ranga and ?. We must take at least 2 Ruckmen in the coming draft and I would take another 2 the year after. I am also interested in what resources if any we put into our Rucks development. Do we have a specialist Ruck Coach? Who? Are they full time or part time ?
I believe you should have at least 3 if not 4 genuie rucks on your list to cover injuries. Simmo is gone. I know Gus played ok on Sunday but......Marty Pyke. Still is a long way off. On what I have seen of him at Coburg/Richmond, I am still not convinced he will make it. Ranga is at least 2 years away, again if he makes it. Patto is not a Ruckman, end of story. Love the bloke's work ethic but his skills are deplorable. From what I have seen of both Vickery/Putt, I see them more as KP fowards with the occasional run in the ruck rather than pure Ruckmen.
This means we have Gus, Ranga and ?. We must take at least 2 Ruckmen in the coming draft and I would take another 2 the year after. I am also interested in what resources if any we put into our Rucks development. Do we have a specialist Ruck Coach? Who? Are they full time or part time ?
Gus also had to go up against Jolly, who's arguably been top 2-3 in the league for ruckman this year.
Yes gus is a long way from having "made it". But he's what we have, and so far, he's shown a bit. Until he starts to undo the good work, he deserves backing.
Yes gus is a long way from having "made it". But he's what we have, and so far, he's shown a bit. Until he starts to undo the good work, he deserves backing.
Googstar said:
The good uncontracted rucks currently in the AFL end of season, will most likely go north to Gold Coast (they'll get more money than what Richmond can pay due to yet again generous salary cap concessions). Ditto Western Sydney when it starts around 2011.
Remember people, the next 4 years of National Drafting will see both Gold Coast and Western Sydney get the supposed cream of the crop of those drafts. You can bet that the AFL will be setting up Gold Coast for a crack at a flag as soon as it possibly can, to the disadvantage of clubs already struggling (read Richmond) in the AFL.
Can this idea of recruiting experience Ruckmen, we have to develop our own, we have 1 experienced Ruck (Simmonds) and 3 young up and coming. Possible solution is extend Simmonds contract for one year, play Graham with him as 2nd Ruck, Pattison who was never recruited for Ruck work as 3rd, he should be a KPP forward BUT like a lot of his young team mates, needs to work on his disposal skills and pace. Vickery too is a likely prospect for rucking but he's got about 2 more years at Coburg and needs time to develop his frame into some bulk, he can work on his disposal skills and pace at the same time.
As for a ruck coach, Benny Gale was doing it at one stage, who the actual Ruck Coach is now I couldn't say.
No the answer is to develop our own crop of players, something that Richmond has refused to do for years, always going for top up's of retread AFL players and losing vital 2nd and 3rd round draft picks for doing so.
Its time to wake and smell the roses. Richmond must develop its own players, get its own culture into those players and give them the necessary resources to develop into AFL players that meet the current AFL standards of performance. ONLY THEN will Richmond start to move up rather than stay where it currently is scrapping the bottom of the ladder.
Bill James said:
We were told our contributions went to Angus Graham - he in turn contributed a "newsletter" to PRE in his first year of being a Rookie. I believe he is the rookie our contributions went too. And all your information in the post up above is arguably right - but - it could also be argued that our contribution went to the first rookie which then enable the club's money to be spent on another! ;D
Which is actually what happened...........
Simmonds - out of form and may be past it but is a good player. Easing out.
Graham, has shocked me with his last couple of game. I thought he was very poor, and may still be, but has showed a bit.
Pattison - plays a part, may still improve.
Vickery exciting
Browne - exciting. Was over the moon with what I saw in the GC practise game, very excited. Thought he aquited himself in round 1 game, considering the flogging and it was a first game for a 7 ft 18 yo with red hair. Was not in our worst 6, or 9 for that matter.
Putt - haven't seen him.
All up, we shouldn't draft for an experienced ruck, But as others have said, keep drafting at least one a year.
Graham, has shocked me with his last couple of game. I thought he was very poor, and may still be, but has showed a bit.
Pattison - plays a part, may still improve.
Vickery exciting
Browne - exciting. Was over the moon with what I saw in the GC practise game, very excited. Thought he aquited himself in round 1 game, considering the flogging and it was a first game for a 7 ft 18 yo with red hair. Was not in our worst 6, or 9 for that matter.
Putt - haven't seen him.
All up, we shouldn't draft for an experienced ruck, But as others have said, keep drafting at least one a year.