mojo31 said:
It was the same game where we managed to make the big Q look like Royce Hart and Wayne Carey rolled into one, I think terry may have been struggling for positives in that press conference.
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It was the same game where we managed to make the big Q look like Royce Hart and Wayne Carey rolled into one, I think terry may have been struggling for positives in that press conference.
Col.W.Kurtz said:
"San" Quinten Lynch's last 4 against us:
23 touches, 8 marks, 2.4
21 touches, 10 marks, 4.0
10 touches, 6 marks, 4.2
17 touches, 10 marks, 7.3
I reckon a lot of people don't take him seriously enough because of the glove thing.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Or people don't take us seriously because we make players like the big Q look so good. His performances against us are much better than his average game.
But I do agree with you, he is underrated.
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Eagles will look good on this trade very soon. Buying Judd for draft picks and young talent is the sort of stuff that has kept Richmond at the bottom for 25 years. Judd was a shadow of himself last year. Almost certainly past his best, if he isn't then he has 2 years of his best left. Lets remember he is no Greg Williams whose value was getting the ball and smart disposal, Judd relies on pace to break away and run through the lines, this doesn't get easier on old legs.
In summary Eagles have picked up two young players with the potential to play for 20 years combined and lost Judd who will play for probably 5 years and certainly not at the level he played in 2005-06.
Not sure which was the most stupid, giving up two top 10's for 5 years of Judd or one top 20 for 5 years of Jordan. Having said that, I wish Jordan well, its not his fault RFC is stupid.
In summary Eagles have picked up two young players with the potential to play for 20 years combined and lost Judd who will play for probably 5 years and certainly not at the level he played in 2005-06.
Not sure which was the most stupid, giving up two top 10's for 5 years of Judd or one top 20 for 5 years of Jordan. Having said that, I wish Jordan well, its not his fault RFC is stupid.
Bill James said:
Getting Brownlow votes 8 games in a row last year before the injury says he still has a little bit left. :blah
I don't know, trading two first-rounders for Ottens looked ordinary for Geelong for a while, but after one decent season and a premiership they would be pretty content. If Carlton can manage a flag while Judd is at the club, they'll probably be justified.
There was an interesting comment during some of the radio discussions about Cartoons tanking regarding the list management of injured players and sending them off for early surgery.Bill James said:
Wet toast were always in line to play finals in 07 and with Cuz in strife played the arse out of Juddy on one leg, rather than send him for surgery that everyone knew he needed.
Judd has made it common knowledge for a long time that he would return to Melb. during his career so the Weagles probably pushed to get as much as possible out of him.
We know he is supposed to be o.k. after his surgery but I just wonder if it may take a large slice off his longevity.
Juddy is a bursting power runner with a good sidestep and strength through the hips.
This is the area he got hammered in for half a season before the surgeons were called in.
Who knows, maybe in a year or so the problem will resurface or perhaps needs constant management.
If Carlscum signed him to a megabuck five year deal as they did Koutafishhead and his groin collapses in late 2009 / 2010 things might just get very ugly.
Correct me if I am wrong but Judd has just had adductor release surgery. Groins are far less career threatening than structural problems like hips, knees and shoulders. The only player I can think of who had a career really stuffed because of his groin is Powell, and from memory he was in his late 20's when he first got injured. Young blokes seem to get over it very easily if given enough time to rest.
Personally, I think we will be seeing Judd be in the top five players in the comp for years to come. As much as I hate to say it, Carlton are starting to look pretty good, and are far closer to being a top 8 team than we are, even with the penalties they recieved. Pagan brought some genuine crap into Carlton with Martin and his band of 2nd raters due to those penalties, yet they have seemed to recover far better than what we have after Frawley.
Personally, I think we will be seeing Judd be in the top five players in the comp for years to come. As much as I hate to say it, Carlton are starting to look pretty good, and are far closer to being a top 8 team than we are, even with the penalties they recieved. Pagan brought some genuine crap into Carlton with Martin and his band of 2nd raters due to those penalties, yet they have seemed to recover far better than what we have after Frawley.
Bill James said:
Well said and agree 100%.
Judd at 24 is near the end. in 2 years times he will be 24 + 2 = (some help here please)........
26.
Crickey.
Now thats scary when you think about it. Might even be illegal to play AFL above the age of 25 in a few years. Vlad is a big fan of Logan's Run I here.
there mojo. :hihiBlueyboy74 said:
I think Johnson is pretty limited now in how much he can huirt other teams. but he is still smart and understands all the angles and where to position himself (as long as someone tells him which way his team is kicking.....). he has good concerntration and will stick to his task. Judd is not going to be back to his explosive best for a few more months and is not going to be match fit for a while longer so Johnson may be able to go with him for the game. or they may use someone like Jackson or even King.
Judd tends to carve up the athletic types who lack the smarts and dont play tight. Thats why Baker, Rawlings, K Cornes and even Johnson have not been torn apart by him consistently. So its best to pick a hard nosed experienced player and negate him.
But for round 1 and a new club, not 100% match fit, not 100% explosiveness back this is the time for him to be collared. it will likely come down to how the other midfielders go for Carlton. Even though it will "all be about Judd" in the media.
Because something that seems to be lost about judd and Carlton. i keep reading how judd wont have Cox and Kerr and Cousins and will therefore struggle. Maybe all those other midfielders at Carlton may shine a little bit brighter as they have never had anyone like judd in the side before to draw so much attention.
I remember Stevens at Port. He was incredible damaging as 2nd/3rd banana. Comes to Carlton and cant consistently handle a quality run with player and a rotation of opponents onto him who are fresher.
Murphy goes from 1st banana of 2007 to 3rd now and wont be tagged if Judd and Stevens are in the side.
These things swing both ways.
lynch is part of a triumvirate hansen and to a lesser degree staker all play a part in the eagles forward line. throw in hunter now and then embley sometimes and now kennedy along with the injured mitch brown who shows heaps of promise the eagles work load up forward is shared.LeeToRainesToRoach said:
lynch hurts us most imo because i ask who do we have that can play on a 104kg 194cm power forward. throw in hansen at 198cm and 96 kg we dont have a real match up for him either. of the three regulars the enigmatic one is staker but at 196cm and 96kg he makes for a very big and tall eagles forward structure.
just on the eagles a kid called james thompson will impress some people this yr. hes put on 8 or 10kg depending on where the stats come from.
he went at pick 80 in the 2006 draft and i will say ive been impressed with him.
i wish we would use late picks and the rookie draft on more young talls or almost exclusively on talls.
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Ottens was never getting shorter, Judd will get slower, Ottens cost two picks 12 and 16. Judd cost a likely 195 KPP and pick 3.
I really never believed the hype and thought he was always overrated, particularly by the umpires and the Melbourne press. Even though they are bad boys, I think the real stars of the centreline at WCE were Kerr and Cousins.
CJ looked pretty flashy on the TV the other day in a brief news excerpt but time will tell. A bit like a John Howard smart comment. They fall flat after a while.
Imagine what it must have been like for Richmond manning up the WCE centreline. The Carlton model c 2008 will be much easier.
I smell a victory coming on
CJ looked pretty flashy on the TV the other day in a brief news excerpt but time will tell. A bit like a John Howard smart comment. They fall flat after a while.
Imagine what it must have been like for Richmond manning up the WCE centreline. The Carlton model c 2008 will be much easier.
I smell a victory coming on