Draft pick 8

[H tiger]

Agree with that, generally mids are undoubtedly safer & "easier to read" as early 1st round picks than Key Position players.

Thats not hard & fast though, we gotta go with who is deemed best available at No 8, whether its a Mid, Key Forward or Ruck.
But as any recruiter worth his salt will tell you, dont ever "reach" for a particular type with such a valuable pick.

Anyways here's an earlier post along very similar lines from leysy.

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=10634.msg832722;topicseen#msg832722

Promise I didn't cut and paste Leysy

Anyway what you have shown with that post cements my thoughts. Don't 'reach' for a mid but if there is one available that is similarly rated to a KPP pick him.

That being said I don't want us drafting any JON's on x-factor I just want someone who can play at 8.

If anyone else has an idea of how to pick talls who are guaranteed to have more of a chance of success than current recruiters do, they stand to make a lot of money.

 

[tigersnake]

;D
I am certainly not a fan of the pure old school ruck. They are most def a dying breed.

The 'pure old school' anything is a dying breed ToO. If you mean immobile rucks, yes they are. But they have been dead for a decade and a half pretty much.

Like anything in life, high risk, high return. Rucks are crucial, especially in finals, which, after all, is where its at. (Anyone notice Minson's game last week? Big dud apparently)

I rely manily on PRE for juniors info. From what I can gather, Vickery is a) big, b) ability to get angry, and c) can play.

combine those with the fact we need a ruck, and I for one am sick of the gutless 'don't draft rucks but wait for mature overpriced trades' policy lead me to the conlcusion:

If he's there at 8, and we haven't traded said pick for David Rodan or Justin Sherman, PICK THE VICK

 

[pmac21]

I myself had always though Ziebell or Hartlett but now starting to lean towards Yarran. Reminds me of the Burgoyne brothers. I know what your thinking another skinny flanker but the guy oozes class & skill.

 

[velo]

I have a feeling we'll still be talking about the same list deficiencies for the next couple of years.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

The 'pure old school' anything is a dying breed ToO. If you mean immobile rucks, yes they are. But they have been dead for a decade and a half pretty much.

Like anything in life, high risk, high return. Rucks are crucial, especially in finals, which, after all, is where its at. (Anyone notice Minson's game last week? Big dud apparently)

I rely manily on PRE for juniors info. From what I can gather, Vickery is a) big, b) ability to get angry, and c) can play.

combine those with the fact we need a ruck, and I for one am sick of the gutless 'don't draft rucks but wait for mature overpriced trades' policy lead me to the conlcusion:

If he's there at 8, and we haven't traded said pick for David Rodan or Justin Sherman, PICK THE VICK

Agree that rucks are especially crucial come finals time, they give you momentum in the middle and provide size and aggression at the contest.

IMO Minson is ordinary - poor coaching had an out of form, clearly lethargic, "in my mind I'm already retired" spider against him for a fair chunk of the crucial third quarter. He did take a couple of contested grabs against LRT that surprised me but I'm tipping he will get pantsed against Geelong. He was very ordinary against the dawks.

 

[blx]

had an out of form, clearly lethargic, "in my mind I'm already retired" spider against him for a fair chunk of the crucial third quarter.

whats with the excuses? LOL, would have been "all or nothing" spider if he had a good game right? :

 

[tigersnake]

Agree that rucks are especially crucial come finals time, they give you momentum in the middle and provide size and aggression at the contest.

IMO Minson is ordinary - poor coaching had an out of form, clearly lethargic, "in my mind I'm already retired" spider against him for a fair chunk of the crucial third quarter. He did take a couple of contested grabs against LRT that surprised me but I'm tipping he will get pantsed against Geelong. He was very ordinary against the dawks.

you're wrong. Yeah had a poor game against hawforn. they lose. Had a blinder, and it was a blinder, against Syney and they win. Supports my point. aggresive ruck contests, contested marks and pack crashing in the forward line, kicked goals, marks in the backline. And Jolly was on the ground as well as spider. He was BOG in my book.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

whats with the excuses? LOL, would have been "all or nothing" spider if he had a good game right? :

And your point? You rate Minson? Spider was a terrific opponent? What are you trying to say?

 

[Big Cat Lover]

you're wrong. Yeah had a poor game against hawforn. they lose. Had a blinder, and it was a blinder, against Syney and they win. Supports my point. aggresive ruck contests, contested marks and pack crashing in the forward line, kicked goals, marks in the backline. And Jolly was on the ground as well as spider. He was BOG in my book.

So Minson is the barometer? PFFFTTTT. You agree he was poor against Hawthorn, come back to me after the Geelong game and we'll see how he has fared hey? He had the quarter of his life against Sydney, Hawks & Geelong are in a different class.

I too love big agressive ruckman (Hudson has been a key driver of Bulldogs improvement) and also agree they are a key come finals. I just don't rate Minson.

 

[tigersnake]

So Minson is the barometer? PFFFTTTT. You agree he was poor against Hawthorn, come back to me after the Geelong game and we'll see how he has fared hey? He had the quarter of his life against Sydney, Hawks & Geelong are in a different class.

I too love big agressive ruckman (Hudson has been a key driver of Bulldogs improvement) and also agree they are a key come finals. I just don't rate Minson.

Yee may PFFFTTTT all ye like, I'm just making some observations on the last two weeks.

agree on Hudson. Wasn't just a Q for WM, 1 particularly good Q, but battled hard and created space all game. I have mixed feelings on him too, I think he's not much chop, then I see him turn it on in a big game. (Never as much as last week). And how old is he? 24 or 25? Thats arrival time for a ruck after all.

If Minson plays another game like that against geelong, or even a bit better game, he'll give their rucks a big task. And if that happens, who knows? BIG ifs, and I woudn't back Footscray with your money.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Yee may PFFFTTTT all ye like, I'm just making some observations on the last two weeks.

agree on Hudson. Wasn't just a Q for WM, 1 particularly good Q, but battled hard and created space all game. I have mixed feelings on him too, I think he's not much chop, then I see him turn it on in a big game. (Never as much as last week). And how old is he? 24 or 25? Thats arrival time for a ruck after all.

If Minson plays another game like that against geelong, or even a bit better game, he'll give their rucks a big task. And if that happens, who knows? BIG ifs, and I woudn't back Footscray with your money.

OK, he was a barometer for the last 2 games if you like, however IMO he has played plenty of poor games and it hasn't affected previous results.

Just think the quality of opposition has gone up to elite (Ottens is an elite ruckman IMO) from old/tired. Didn't think WM was pitted against DJ for much of the game.

I wouldn't mind betting with someone elses money, hard to lose.

 

[Tigers of Old]

The 'pure old school' anything is a dying breed ToO. If you mean immobile rucks, yes they are. But they have been dead for a decade and a half pretty much.

If he's there at 8, and we haven't traded said pick for David Rodan or Justin Sherman, PICK THE VICK

Not against Vickery. Far from it in fact.

I saw a great tag for him on another board 'Trickery'. Thought that a was pretty clever nick.

 

[Scoop]

The more I think about and watch footage Jack Ziebel reminds me of a young Jimmy Bartel.

 

[ROLLS ROYCE]

I think we can give up on Vickery skipping thru to number 8.

Big wraps on him in a story in inside football saying he may even be the top draft pick. Has come from the clouds and now is a sure top 4 pick according to the press.

 

[davidrodan]

It's really only Port that he has to slip past IMO, unless Carlscum don't get Warnock

Melb - could go here but unlikely
WC - Rich prolly (need mids)
Freo - if ruck will prolly get Nat
Port - Brogan, Lade (getting on), Deluca, Minson, Giles, Maybe Lobbe? nothing to write home bout
Hopefully they will want and get Hartlett
Ess - Just re-signed Laycock (maybe they are desperate for rucks?) and also have Hille, Belchambers, Ryder (part time) will prolly want a KPP especially in defence
Carl - With Kruz, Hampson, Cloke, Jacobs and hopefully Warnock have rucks covered. (Sorry just couldn't bring myself to add HAckland)
Bris - I thought they had more rucks Charman, Luey, and Clark (part time) seem to be their only options? non on the rookie list either? Hopefully they are looking for a quality mid

Looking at ruck stocks of each team Port and Brisbane are the big dangers for Vickery

Thoughts???