Draft plan working

[GoodOne]

You obviously need the best of both worlds to win a premiership, top class midfielders and a good sprinkling of quality key position players.

I think there is merit in building up your middle first, and even over-emphasising the middle, so that you have some honest mid-tier on-ballers to trade for taller key position players later on. I think attaining a quality key position is more hit and miss than attaining on-ballers, so trading on-ballers for more proven and mature key positions is potentially lessw risky.

In the end it will be interesting in a few years time to see how Hawthorn progresses versus Richmond with different tacts. There's obviously alot of factors contributing to a team's success, but the argument of Richmond Vs Hawthorn tactics will rage on for many years, Im sure.

 

[the claw]

You obviously need the best of both worlds to win a premiership, top class midfielders and a good sprinkling of quality key position players.

I think there is merit in building up your middle first, and even over-emphasising the middle, so that you have some honest mid-tier on-ballers to trade for taller key position players later on.  I think attaining a quality key position is more hit and miss than attaining on-ballers, so trading on-ballers for more proven and mature key positions is potentially lessw risky. 

In the end it will be interesting in a few years time to see how Hawthorn progresses versus Richmond with different tacts.  There's obviously alot of factors contributing to a team's success, but the argument of Richmond Vs Hawthorn tactics will rage on for many years, Im sure.

its not just richmond hawthorn add carlton to that. last yr they took kenndy bower and edwards in the nat draft promoted ohailpin from the rookie list took mclaren in the psd and traded for saddington the only small they added was murphy.the yr before they added bryan hartlett and raso. carlton have 17 genuine talls on their list with 3 others at 190cm who are onballers and 2 rookies. they are clearly going down the path of building a spine first then building a side around it. if they get gibbs this yr they will have 3 outstanding kids who play on ball in walker gibbs and murphy as well.

 

[Bill James]

             Sydney                 Adelaide      Weagles             StKilda
FB           Barry                    Rutten         Glass               Hudghton
CHB  Roberts-Thomson        Bock          Graham           Maguire/Rix
C            Kirk                        Shirley        Cousins             Ball/Hayes
CHF        Hall                      Hentschel   Hansen/Staker    Reiwoldt
FF         O'Loughlin         Ricciuto/Welsh    Lynch                 Gehrig

I don't know about the rest of you, but these look like bloody good goal to goal lines to me.

IMO Phantom, only Hall is a genuine top shelf KPP at the Swans, only Rutten at Adelaide, only Glass at WCE and only Reiwoldt and Gehrig are at the Saints.

In contrast...Carlton arguably have two in Fevola and Whitnall who've played all season and not done them much good in terms of success. Essendon have two in Lucas and Fletcher (plus the injured Louganis) hasn't helped them one iota.

These sides are last not because they don't have their share of above average KPP's, but because they have well below average midfields.

As I've said before, if you stack up the top-8 and the bottom-8, the bottom-8 have well and truly their fair share of the top rated KPPs, while the top-8 have by far the better midfields.

I think there's a solid recruiting lesson in that.

In the last 20 years, razor Adelaide is the only side to win a premiership without an out and out power forward in the line up. And in their case they managed to send Jarman forward who played like one when it was required. There might be plenty of bottom 8 sides with top rated KPP's but there are precious few premiership sides without them.

 

[Rayzorwire]

In the last 20 years, razor Adelaide is the only side to win a premiership without an out and out power forward in the line up. And in their case they managed to send Jarman forward who played like one when it was required.

Which has little to do with needing 3-4 top class KPP's as many here would suggest is required. Same with your reference to the last 20 years...football has changed enormously in just the last 5-6 years, as the players and coaches involved over this period all attest to.

IMO we'll see far more sides win flags over the next 20 years with only 1-2 genuine top class KPPs - but they will all have 4+ extremely good midfielders and a host of others who are well above average.

 

[Gazza68]

You obviously need the best of both worlds to win a premiership, top class midfielders and a good sprinkling of quality key position players.

I think there is merit in building up your middle first, and even over-emphasising the middle, so that you have some honest mid-tier on-ballers to trade for taller key position players later on. I think attaining a quality key position is more hit and miss than attaining on-ballers, so trading on-ballers for more proven and mature key positions is potentially lessw risky.

In the end it will be interesting in a few years time to see how Hawthorn progresses versus Richmond with different tacts. There's obviously alot of factors contributing to a team's success, but the argument of Richmond Vs Hawthorn tactics will rage on for many years, Im sure.

its not just richmond hawthorn add carlton to that. last yr they took kenndy bower and edwards in the nat draft promoted ohailpin from the rookie list took mclaren in the psd and traded for saddington the only small they added was murphy.the yr before they added bryan hartlett and raso. carlton have 17 genuine talls on their list with 3 others at 190cm who are onballers and 2 rookies. they are clearly going down the path of building a spine first then building a side around it. if they get gibbs this yr they will have 3 outstanding kids who play on ball in walker gibbs and murphy as well.

Claw, apart from last years talls at the blues, I think the previous couple of years were more stop gap type players. I dont think the majority will have any long term gain for the blues. I would hope when the Tigers go down that road that we pick up youthful talls that will have a long time with the Tige's. Rather than just filling hole's with whomever is available. I would hope our 1st pick every season goes on the best player available, whether he is tall or small, then after that we can fill in the gaps with the best available for the positions we aim to fill.

 

[the claw]

You obviously need the best of both worlds to win a premiership, top class midfielders and a good sprinkling of quality key position players.

I think there is merit in building up your middle first, and even over-emphasising the middle, so that you have some honest mid-tier on-ballers to trade for taller key position players later on.  I think attaining a quality key position is more hit and miss than attaining on-ballers, so trading on-ballers for more proven and mature key positions is potentially lessw risky. 

In the end it will be interesting in a few years time to see how Hawthorn progresses versus Richmond with different tacts.  There's obviously alot of factors contributing to a team's success, but the argument of Richmond Vs Hawthorn tactics will rage on for many years, Im sure.

its not just richmond hawthorn add carlton to that. last yr they took kenndy bower and edwards in the nat draft promoted ohailpin from the rookie list took mclaren in the psd and traded for saddington the only small they added was murphy.the yr before they added bryan hartlett and raso. carlton have 17 genuine talls on their list with 3 others at 190cm who are onballers and 2 rookies. they are clearly going down the path of building a spine first then building a side around it. if they get gibbs this yr they will have 3 outstanding kids who play on ball in walker gibbs and murphy as well.

Claw, apart from last years talls at the blues, I think the previous couple of years were more stop gap type players. I dont think the majority will have any long term gain for the blues. I would hope when the Tigers go down that road that we pick up youthful talls that will have a long time with the Tige's. Rather than just filling hole's  with whomever is available. I would hope our 1st pick every season goes on the best player available, whether he is tall or small, then after that we can fill in the gaps with the best available for the positions we aim to fill.

the only older type tall carlton have added to their list in the last 3 drafts is saddington and i cant work out why they would take him.they also took chris bryan a 22 yo and mclaren a 24 yo hardly old types. the last 2 maybe stop gap depth players maybe not.