Drafting the last 5 years

[jamo]

I haven't got all the info, but if you took every AFL club and put there draft picks from rounds 1 and 2 from the 2001 - 2006 draft on paper, who would be the worst off.

I'll take a guess and say us.

Miller I was a fan 5 years ago, the last 5 years of your recruiting with the picks we have had , has been an absolute disaster. In particular the 1st and 2nd round selections,

I don't want to bag kids as it isn't really there fault, I also realize it is a lucky dip in a way, but can you take a dip and pull out crap every single bloody year.

I will list my most frustrating selections
Gilmore ,-was he a 1st or 2nd rounder, didn't debut, frustrating (I'm guessing he was 2001 draft)
Schulz, -lazy
Meyer, -Biggest disappointment of all, wants to play for crows I bet, can you get refunds here?( Miller you are a gun)
Pattison, -Not 1st round quality, 2nd or maybe 3rd, shouldn't have been taken in 1st round, I do like him
Tambling,- Not as good as we expected straight up, hopefully will improve. was over rated in my opinion
Jon, - Project player gone wrong, waste of 1st round pick, 3rd to 4th rounder at best (MILLER!!!)
Hughes, -wants to play for crows, not interested, very pretty to look at if you are into that kinda thing.

Positives selections

Delidio
Polo
Edwards
Riewoldt, ??? I hope, too early to tell

Over 60% of our 1st and 2nd round draft picks from the last 5 drafts are not all that flash, I would like to know if there is a club who has done worse than us, does anyone have the info?

I think our later round selections are alot better than our early picks. Miller isn't too bad in this area, But his blatent wasting of top round picks is a joke.
I know I will cop a bit for this, so if you are going to have a go at me please advise the players you would still keep if you could turn back time.

Frustrated Tiger :'(

We need a new recruiter Dab Namit

 

[bullus_hit]

That's only half the story, you need to mention Foley, Thurfield, Raines and Conners as players who are showing that they have what it takes to play AFL. Then there's Jackson who's coming good, King, Tuck and Polak have been good selections, whilst an injury free Brown has proven his worth.

The last 5 years hasn't been too bad, probably on par with half the AFL clubs but we need to make the most out of the next 2 drafts or I fear we could be chasing our tail yet again. Another year with priority picks may not be as bad as one may think, the 2008 draft is looking most promising indeed.

 

[RROFO]

I understand what you are saying jamo but recuiting is not an exact science. It is extraordinary that we have managed to do a whole lot better with our later picks and stuff up our early picks which should be the easy ones. Perhaps that is why we are as average as we are, our successful draft choices are from way down in the pecking order so, although serviceable, we lack that champion factor.

Perhaps we are trying to be far too clever with our early picks, going for players who could become absolute freaks if everything goes right. Perhaps we should play it safer in the early rounds. Go for the good footballers with the right body who are guaranteed to be good but do not have that (I'm going to say it) X-Factor which will shoot them to superstar status. Is Miller looking for a Wayne Carey? If he is he should stop now. There is a fair bit of luck drafting a star like him or James Hird. I don't believe you can spot that sort of talent consistently.

As for saying we have been the worst I would think that is a bit harsh. I think we have quite a few project players, probably too many, on our list that need time to develop. Our team has no experience and we have very average senior players. The good ones have spent a fair amount of time injured. I don't think there is any value looking for reasons to feel depressed about ourselves.

 

[Ghost of Punt Road]

Your wish has already been granted.

Miller was the only real recruiter for the 2000-2004 drafts.

Francis Jackson was brought in late and helped a bit in the 2005 draft, but hadn't had time to do it properly.

Francis had the main say in the 2006 draft, which is looking very very good so far.

Miller is now removed from recruiting.

A second recruiting manger is being sought to add to F J.

 

[Harro12]

Raines is a good example. A lot of people on here are mentioning him in trade talk. In 2005 it was the same but by the end of last year he was basically an untouchable. Are we perhaps a bit harsh on guys that may have had 2nd year blues.

On the reverse, Tuck has had a reasonable year but by the end of last year a lot of us wanted him gone. Jackson too is now looking like a player but geez it has taken him a while. Many could have lost patience with him that's for sure.

I do however agree that Schulz, Hughes and Meyer in particular have been disappointing to say the least.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

I wonder about Cleve. Why was he dropped to the reserves for the coburg GF?

JON needs one more year..

I was optimistic a couple of weeks ago but we are at least two years away from finals footy with at least 10 players on our list not up to it..

Feel really sorry for Richo. He should have played for a team that can offer him finals

 

[jamo]

That's only half the story, you need to mention Foley, Thurfield, Raines and Conners as players who are showing that they have what it takes to play AFL. Then there's Jackson who's coming good, King, Tuck and Polak have been good selections, whilst an injury free Brown has proven his worth.

The last 5 years hasn't been too bad, probably on par with half the AFL clubs but we need to make the most out of the next 2 drafts or I fear we could be chasing our tail yet again. Another year with priority picks may not be as bad as one may think, the 2008 draft is looking most promising indeed.

No offence

Please read my entire post,
I actually mention that we have recruited well late in the draft, so that would mean I realize those players are showing good signs.

Thanks

jamo

 

[ToraToraTora]

What we really need are a couple of hugely successful selections....whether they come at No1 or 100 I don't care....but just a couple (OK I'd settle for one) of kids who come in with little or no development period and show they can really play and WANT to play....yes I mean better types than Foley et al, who look like they could become real stars. No, Connors ain't there yet.

 

[the claw]

our strategy list management and early draft selections in the main have been disastrous. especially when you look at list weaknesses and the quality of players we have overlooked.

 

[Leysy Days]

The bombers would give us a good run for our money....

These are there 1st/2nd round selections from 99-05

1999 - Traded for Jon Robran.

2000 - James Davies, Ted Richards.

2001 - Shane Harvey, Joel Reynolds.

2002 - Jason Laycock, Jason Winderlich

2003 - Kepler Bradley, Brent Stanton

2004 - Angus Monfries, Andrew Lee

2005 - Pat Ryder, Courtney Dempsey

 

[Dyer'ere]

Dadoro has a theory that a recruiting manager should not be judged on his performance in the early rounds as these selections are pretty much prescribed and clubs like Esserden and consequently their recruiters are disadvantaged.

Dadoro is worse than Beck.

 

[pahoffm]

Reckon everyone just needs a little bit of patience.

This last weekend has shown that we are on the right track.
We are attracting talented juniors to the club.
Also, we are attracting talented boys, who just miss out on the draft to Coburg.

We've seen a VFL Reserves premiership filled with exciting boys aged 19/20yo.
We've also seen a VFL Senior grand final team largely made up of boys 19-21yo. May I remind you that the Geelong boys were on average 23-24yo.

There are some great things happening at the RFC at a junior development level.

Geelong went through the teething pains when "Bomber" Thompson started with a bunch of 18/19yo boys so many years ago.

The fine tuning that I would do to our recruiting would be:
1. We need to be more active identifying & trading for players that actually fill OUR NEEDS.
2. Take the best players with the early picks, ie picks #2, 18 & 19.
3. Take some project rucks with the middle picks, ie 35 & 51.
4. Use a late pick to encourage the best at Coburg.
5. Identify a ready-made key back for PSD1.
6. Use 2 rookie picks to select project players from Coburg.
7. Use 2 rookie picks to select another 2 project talls.

This seems to be Westcoast's formula.
You can see how they've rewarded Priddis through the local WAFL.
And they've given opportunities to the likes of Cox, Staker, Graham et al, in developing talls.

Jaymie Graham would be a very good one for us to trade for.

 

[TOT70]

Reckon everyone just needs a little bit of patience.

This last weekend has shown that we are on the right track.
We are attracting talented juniors to the club.
Also, we are attracting talented boys, who just miss out on the draft to Coburg.

We've seen a VFL Reserves premiership filled with exciting boys aged 19/20yo.
We've also seen a VFL Senior grand final team largely made up of boys 19-21yo. May I remind you that the Geelong boys were on average 23-24yo.

There are some great things happening at the RFC at a junior development level.

Geelong went through the teething pains when "Bomber" Thompson started with a bunch of 18/19yo boys so many years ago.

The fine tuning that I would do to our recruiting would be:
1. We need to be more active identifying & trading for players that actually fill OUR NEEDS.
2. Take the best players with the early picks, ie picks #2, 18 & 19.
3. Take some project rucks with the middle picks, ie 35 & 51.
4. Use a late pick to encourage the best at Coburg.
5. Identify a ready-made key back for PSD1.
6. Use 2 rookie picks to select project players from Coburg.
7. Use 2 rookie picks to select another 2 project talls.

This seems to be Westcoast's formula.
You can see how they've rewarded Priddis through the local WAFL.
And they've given opportunities to the likes of Cox, Staker, Graham et al, in developing talls.

Jaymie Graham would be a very good one for us to trade for.

I won't argue with any of this.

 

[jamo]

The bombers would give us a good run for our money....

These are there 1st/2nd round selections from 99-05

1999 - Traded for Jon Robran.

2000 - James Davies, Ted Richards.

2001 - Shane Harvey, Joel Reynolds.

2002 - Jason Laycock, Jason Winderlich

2003 - Kepler Bradley, Brent Stanton

2004 - Angus Monfries, Andrew Lee

2005 - Pat Ryder, Courtney Dempsey

Yes that is pretty bad when you look at it.
I would have to say i am happier with our selctions when put up against that rabble,
Stanton,Monfries and Ryder are the only decent players on that list

 

[bullus_hit]

That's only half the story, you need to mention Foley, Thurfield, Raines and Conners as players who are showing that they have what it takes to play AFL. Then there's Jackson who's coming good, King, Tuck and Polak have been good selections, whilst an injury free Brown has proven his worth.

The last 5 years hasn't been too bad, probably on par with half the AFL clubs but we need to make the most out of the next 2 drafts or I fear we could be chasing our tail yet again. Another year with priority picks may not be as bad as one may think, the 2008 draft is looking most promising indeed.

No offence

Please read my entire post,
I actually mention that we have recruited well late in the draft, so that would mean I realize those players are showing good signs.

Thanks

jamo

Jamo, I did read your post and my point is this, you can draw an abritrary line in the sand and say we are terrible at recruiting but then ignore successes at the tail end of the draft pool. Does this make us good or bad?

My philosophy with drafting has always been to add 4-5 AFL standard players each year, whether they be first round or rookies. Once you have that benchmark, you can then further analyse the strength of the draft by comparing players development from other teams. 2002 may look like a disaster with Sarge but closer examination will reveal most players from pick 12 onwards are already on the football scrapheap.

Don't get me wrong, I think we have made some blunders with early picks but I don't think we have done too badly overall, since 2003 we have been reasonably good with the exception of Gilmore, Meyer and JON. The 2004 draft looks like producing 4 out 5 AFL 150 gamers, 2006 should be 2 out of 2 whilst 2005 may be 1 out of 2 if Cleve comes through with the goods.

RROFO makes a good point that we haven't hit the jackpot with future champions but maybe Deledio, Tambling or Edwards will eventually step up to the plate. With some luck, pick 2 this year will be a champ and then if we snare Rich and Naitanui next year, things will be looking a whole lot rosier.

 

[the claw]

Reckon everyone just needs a little bit of patience.

This last weekend has shown that we are on the right track.
We are attracting talented juniors to the club.
Also, we are attracting talented boys, who just miss out on the draft to Coburg.

We've seen a VFL Reserves premiership filled with exciting boys aged 19/20yo.
We've also seen a VFL Senior grand final team largely made up of boys 19-21yo. May I remind you that the Geelong boys were on average 23-24yo.

There are some great things happening at the RFC at a junior development level.

Geelong went through the teething pains when "Bomber" Thompson started with a bunch of 18/19yo boys so many years ago.

The fine tuning that I would do to our recruiting would be:
1. We need to be more active identifying & trading for players that actually fill OUR NEEDS.
2. Take the best players with the early picks, ie picks #2, 18 & 19.
3. Take some project rucks with the middle picks, ie 35 & 51.
4. Use a late pick to encourage the best at Coburg.
5. Identify a ready-made key back for PSD1.
6. Use 2 rookie picks to select project players from Coburg.
7. Use 2 rookie picks to select another 2 project talls.

This seems to be Westcoast's formula.
You can see how they've rewarded Priddis through the local WAFL.
And they've given opportunities to the likes of Cox, Staker, Graham et al, in developing talls.

Jaymie Graham would be a very good one for us to trade for.

agree on all again except your point 6 for obvious reasons. also point 1 atm we need to be only trading for players around the 22 25max age bracket.

 

[Tigerfan]

what claw said x 2