Drug Discussion (Split from Stokes Thread)

[Rosy]

This line of reasoning can be taken to any law made by the government, regardless of its immorality. For example, would you have said the same thing to homosexuals when sodomy law made it illegal for them to engage in sexual acts together? Back then the police were not dangerous to homosexuals if they were not breaking the law after all.

I don't get your point sorry. I wasn't discussing "morality" or whether laws are/were right or wrong. I've broken a few in my day but that's the risk I took. I knew the law...whether I agreed with or abided by it or not.

 

[Giardiasis]

I don't get your point sorry. I wasn't discussing "morality" or whether laws are/were right or wrong. I've broken a few in my day but that's the risk I took. I knew the law...whether I agreed with or abided by it or not.

You suggested that police and sniffer dogs aren't dangerous because the onus is on the drug takers to not give them cause to hurt them. Obey and you shall not be harmed. This line of reasoning has it backwards, the police and the sniffer dogs have no place hurting people because they take drugs. While you might say they are just doing their job, it is an immoral job and an immoral law.

 

[Rosy]

....... While you might say they are just doing their job, it is an immoral job and an immoral law.

What law. Drink driving and drug dealing? I disagree. I also think you've taken my comments, which were a response to someone else's comments, out of context.

 

[Giardiasis]

What law. Drink driving and drug dealing? I disagree. I also think you've taken my comments, which were a response to someone else's comments, out of context.

Drink driving and drug dealing are immoral, but making them illegal is also immoral. I know you disagree and I have zero chance of changing your mind. I'm not seeking to do that.

I disagree that it was taken out of context, maybe you'd be able to demonstrate how?

 

[Giardiasis]

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[Ian4]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2018/07/29/sniffer-dogs-nsw/

Sniffer dogs wrong in two-thirds of strip searches last year

11:22pm, Jul 29, 2018, Rachel Eddie

Sniffer dogs were wrong in almost two-thirds of all strip searches in New South Wales last year.

The official police figures were released after questioning by Greens MLC David Shoebridge, revealing the full extent that drug dogs make false positives.

Of the 1124 people strip searched because of a dog indication in 2017, drugs were found just 406 times.

It means 718 people were subjected to a strip search despite NSW Police finding no drugs, a failure rate of 64 per cent.

Stunningly, police did not track how much the program cost taxpayers.

“The NSWPF [NSW Police Force] does not track the costs of drug detection dog operations and is unable to provide an answer to this question,” Police Minister Troy Grant said in answers to questions on notice tabled in NSW Parliament.

Mr Shoebridge said the hundreds of failed strip searches were an abuse of rights, souring relationships between police and mostly young people.

“These aggressive searches are all about PR, about the police being seen to do something on the failing war on drugs,” Mr Shoebridge said.

“Any other government program that gets it wrong almost two-thirds of the time would be immediately halted.”

General searches had a failure rate of 61 per cent last year.

No drugs were found in 6270 of a total 10,224 general searches following a dog indication.

The first half of this year has not fared much better.

Between January and June 7 this year, 735 people have been strip searched after being singled out by a drug dog.

Drugs were found 321 of those times, a failure rate of 56 per cent.

There were 4423 general searches between January and May 31, with drugs found 1624 times – failing 63 per cent of the time.

A spokesperson for Mr Grant said the sniffer dog program had the government’s full support.

“Police use drug-detection dogs where they have intelligence that shows drug crime is occurring, and the benefit of preventing the death of a person through drug-detection dog deployment is immeasurable.”

Dogs are one part of the drug-detection strategy, and have a strong deterrence factor, the spokesperson said.

“In addition, drug-detection dogs assist police to seize significant amounts of prohibited drugs from dealers and users.”

More than 3500 MDMA capsules were seized at the Midnight Mafia music festival by NSW Police in May this year.

Mr Shoebridge at the time said he’d been contacted by people who were turned away from the Sydney event after being targeted by a drug dog despite no drugs being found.

NSW Police also warned punters would be turned away from Sydney’s Above & Beyond festival last month if a sniffer dog made an indication, regardless of whether drugs were found.

A court injunction to stop the police plan failed, and the Greens-backed ‘Sniff Off’ campaign said ticket holders reached out after being denied entry despite police finding no drugs.

ABC reported earlier this month that drugs were found just 15 per cent of the time in South Australia after indications from sniffer dogs or electronic tests.

The SA Police figures from 2016-17 found drugs on 348 people in 2366 searches. Police said 1605 of those people admitted being previously in contact with drugs.

Premier Steven Marshall in May said drug dogs could be sent into schools under the proposed ‘Stop the Scourge in Schools’ policy.

what a waste of resources.

 

[Bennnny]

Ben Cousins all over again.

We can't talk. Dusty was having issues, Yarran, we didn't do the research, Connors, and others.
Drugs are fun, but can cause issues. Being a king can be difficult. We don't know the pressures players are under.

 

[thegdog]

We can't talk. Dusty was having issues, Yarran, we didn't do the research, Connors, and others.
Drugs are fun, but can cause issues. Being a king can be difficult. We don't know the pressures players are under.

Drugs are for f*kwits, not fun. Destroy people, who in turn destroy others. 80% of mental health bullcrap today is because idiots have fried their brains with toxic chemicals.

 

[Bennnny]

Drugs are for f*kwits, not fun. Destroy people, who in turn destroy others. 80% of mental health bullcrap today is because idiots have fried their brains with toxic chemicals.

So is alcohol. Alcohol is ruined more people., it is a drug. People take all kinds of drugs, legal and illegal to deal with their issues. Some drugs are illegal because of prejudice.
The interesting reas in this thread is Oliver is struggling to deal with a breakup.

 

[immorta]

Drugs are for f*kwits, not fun. Destroy people, who in turn destroy others. 80% of mental health bullcrap today is because idiots have fried their brains with toxic chemicals.

Do you drink alcohol?

 

[thegdog]

Do you drink alcohol?

Yes, I drink to socialise and have a good time on occasion. I don’t put a mind altering poison in my brain daily that causes permanent damage and requires me steal/bash/rob and cause havoc to support a habit.

 

[immorta]

Yes, I drink to socialise and have a good time on occasion. I don’t put a mind altering poison in my brain daily that causes permanent damage and requires me steal/bash/rob and cause havoc to support a habit.

You're delusional, alcohol is the clearly the leading drug in terms of harm to society. But it's legal and taxable and therefore acceptable to the masses.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

You're delusional, alcohol is the clearly the leading drug in terms of harm to society. But it's legal and taxable and therefore acceptable to the masses.

That may have been the case up until around 10 yrs ago but drugs have clearly caused more harm to society for a long time now.

 

[thegdog]

You're delusional, alcohol is the clearly the leading drug in terms of harm to society. But it's legal and taxable and therefore acceptable to the masses.

Very very very wrong. Alcoholism is a a drop in the ocean compared to drug addiction and the widespread societal problems it causes to the individual and the community.

 

[shawry]

That may have been the case up until around 10 yrs ago but drugs have clearly caused more harm to society for a long time now.

Yep ask any homicide detective and they will tell you drugs and domestic violence (often as a result of drugs) keep them employed. That’s what they tell me.

 

[immorta]

Results after searching "worst drugs in australia"

The Australian drug harms ranking study - PubMed

The results of this study make an important contribution to the emerging international picture of drug harms. They highlight the persistent and pervasive harms caused by alcohol. Policy implications and recommendations are discussed. Policies to reduce harm from alcohol and methamphetamine...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Alcohol named Australia's most harmful drug

The Alcohol and Drug Foundation are calling for a national strategy to reduce the harm caused by alcohol after a new study ranked it as Australia's most harmful drug.

www.amhf.org.au

The Australian drug harms ranking study | Drug and Alcohol Research Connections

The aim of this study was to review drug harms as they occur in Australia using the Multi-criteria Decision Analysis (MCDA) methodology adopted in earlier studies in other jurisdictions.

www.connections.edu.au

Australia: Alcohol Socially Most Harmful Drug - Movendi International

Alcohol causes the most overall harm to Australian society, surpassing crystal methamphetamine (ice) and heroin, drugs that usually receive more attention, according to a new national study. The Australia-first study, funded by St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne, examined 22 drugs and measured...

movendi.ngo

Alcohol ranked most harmful drug in Australia, says report

The Alcohol and Drug Foundation are calling for a new national strategy to reduce the harm caused by alcohol abuse which is ranking more harmful than crystal meth.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[momentai]

We can't talk. Dusty was having issues, Yarran, we didn't do the research, Connors, and others.
Drugs are fun, but can cause issues. Being a king can be difficult. We don't know the pressures players are under.

Dusty having what issues. Hasn’t been caught or implicated.
Missed training once or twice early in his career, doesn’t connect him with use.

 

[immorta]

Yep ask any homicide detective and they will tell you drugs and domestic violence (often as a result of drugs) keep them employed. That’s what they tell me.

No *smile*. Never said that illicit drugs were good, just that alcohol causes more harm to society overall. Pretty laughable that it's even up for debate.

 

[thegdog]

Results after searching "worst drugs in australia"

The Australian drug harms ranking study - PubMed

The results of this study make an important contribution to the emerging international picture of drug harms. They highlight the persistent and pervasive harms caused by alcohol. Policy implications and recommendations are discussed. Policies to reduce harm from alcohol and methamphetamine...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Alcohol named Australia's most harmful drug

The Alcohol and Drug Foundation are calling for a national strategy to reduce the harm caused by alcohol after a new study ranked it as Australia's most harmful drug.

www.amhf.org.au

The Australian drug harms ranking study | Drug and Alcohol Research Connections

The aim of this study was to review drug harms as they occur in Australia using the Multi-criteria Decision Analysis (MCDA) methodology adopted in earlier studies in other jurisdictions.

www.connections.edu.au

Australia: Alcohol Socially Most Harmful Drug - Movendi International

Alcohol causes the most overall harm to Australian society, surpassing crystal methamphetamine (ice) and heroin, drugs that usually receive more attention, according to a new national study. The Australia-first study, funded by St Vincent’s Hospital in Melbourne, examined 22 drugs and measured...

movendi.ngo

Alcohol ranked most harmful drug in Australia, says report

The Alcohol and Drug Foundation are calling for a new national strategy to reduce the harm caused by alcohol abuse which is ranking more harmful than crystal meth.

www.sbs.com.au

Just not true. Take a walk in the city, walk through Footscray.

 

[immorta]

Just not true. Take a walk in the city, walk through Footscray.

OK, you got me.

Take a walk in any suburb, any city of Australia. More people are abusing alcohol than any other drug. Prove me wrong.