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Dustin Martin’s bikie dad claims Aboriginal heritage in bid to return (HS)

JimJessTorp

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Im a card carrying chardonnay socialist who hates chardonnay, unless its a real deep straw colour and lingers with lucerne and cantaloupe
Barbarian!

(The Chardonnay bit - Not the socialist bit - And hating it is fine - Liking it at all - despite tasting like lucerne hay and cantaloup - is what makes you a barbarian)

Hmmmm - I might be mixing up barbarian and barber...

Which one cuts your lunch? I mean hair?
 

Sintiger

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The High Court yesterday passed an insane new law which makes it illegal for the Australian government to deport anyone claiming Aboriginal heritage. Is this the foot in the door that Martin Snr. needs?
There are actually two things wrong with this. One is that it is not a new law, it is an interpretation or extension of principles set out going back to MABO, essentially constitutional. It found that the relationship of an aboriginal person to the land which was the basis of land rights recognition meant that aboriginal peoples could not be classed as aliens and therefore deported if they were not born in Australia.
Laws are made by governments not by Courts.
Secondly the judges actually said that in the case of one of the parties to the action that whether or not the person is aboriginal was not something the court was considering and required a decision from others so claiming is not enough.
 
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DavidSSS

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Actually it isn't parliament made law (unless you count the UK parliament) it is the constitution. The ruling is that the alien power in the Australian constitution, ie: the section which gives the federal parliament the power to make laws in relation to aliens (used in the sense of not being Australian and therefore subject to immigration laws) cannot be applied to aboriginals because, well, because it is pretty bloody hard to maintain a sensible argument that a person of Australian aboriginal descent is somehow alien to this country. Especially when their ancestors go back in this country about 50,000 more years than any white Australian's ancestors.

How could you possibly define an Australian Aboriginal as an alien?

Somehow I knew the right wingers would get in a tizz about this, they're so precious and easy to offend.

DS
 
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DavidSSS

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No legislation L2R2R, interpretation of the constitution is what the High Court did (hint: it is a court, cannot pass legislation, that would be the legislative branch of government not the judicial branch).

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of being offended, I know, it is the end of democracy as we know it and you right wingers love being offended.

DS
 
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antman

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Yes, it's not as if aboriginal people ever had different legal and constitutional statuses to other kinds of people in the past in Australia. Would never have happened.
 
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spook

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**** me, Lee. For someone so critical of climate 'alarmists', you're mighty angsty about whether Indigenous Australians born o/s are Australian, and the 'dangers' of an American presidential candidate who wants to actually make his country a fairer, more just, healthier, more decent society.

"Reds under the bed!" "Racism in favour of Aborigines!" I'd call it lunatic fringe stuff, but a significant minority share a lot of your views. That's the real danger.
 
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eZyT

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Spook, the decision asserts that spiritual and cultural values are genetically determined.
another simple untruth.

Lets put it another way.

Ive been barracking for Richmond for 4 generations. My kids are 5th generation. I would argue, and win, that we have a special spiritual and cultural connection with Richmond FC.

It cant be genetic, cause I have a mutated uncle who barracks for Carlton.

So Richmond accept that there are certain first barracker peoples

and say to us, 'your membership cannot be revoked, and you will always get a seat at our grand finals'

Actually I think I'll put it to the board that we recognise that in our clubs constitution.

we should have a seat at the table

Its not that big a deal.
 
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eZyT

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I suggest you read the judges' justifications. "A special cultural, historical and spiritual connection with the territory of Australia" is specifically mentioned,
Did she say the 'genetically determined' bit?

no.

thats your add-on. thats why I called it a simple untruth

you do it all the time

racists and biggots want it both ways.

social darwinism is their bread and butter. They secretly or openly love eugenics.

But even hint at giving a bloke a race based break, and its a horribly dangerous precedent and race doesn't matter.

**** me.
 
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eZyT

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If you were born overseas and are not an Australian citizen, how else do you acquire such a connection? Please tell me.
do you live in Richmond?

oh, and I'll take your question as 'no, the judge didn't say that culture and spirit are genetic. I made that bit up to look like she said it to rhetorically support my **** assertion cause im certain im right and dont want to entertain any other ideas, even if they are clearly more correct than mine'
 
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eZyT

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Would you care to answer the question, or are you going to **** me around like KnightersRevenge?
so you can answer questions with questions, but no-one else can?

yeah, I'll stick with Knighter.

I still want to know how you claim a special cultural and spiritual connection with Richmond, when you're way over near Carlton?
 

eZyT

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I'm actually in the old Collingwood zone, Shaw and Rocca territory. Blech.

"It's in the blood" was just a marketing gimmick. Like "Richmond is my family and Punt Road is my home". It's just a (strong) emotional attachment.
bingo!

a strong emotional attachment.

how did your strong emotional attachment get there? Stories, songs, travel, experiences, emotions, time.

its not that hard L2.

use other parts of your brain.

Start your journey from the point where you may be wrong.
 

eZyT

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The court judgement asserts a "special connection" by race. That's where my beef starts and ends.

Do you think Dusty's dad should be allowed back in?
1, we will have to agree to disagree, again. You see I cant imagine how you couldn't have racially based special connections to stuff. You and I see the world entirely differently. Richmond FC is about the only thing we share intellectually and emotionally, which is why footy is so great.

2. its a rare black and white for me. As it stands, unequivocally yes. If it was Jordan degoeys dad, unequivocally no.

(note, point 2 edited for humour after L2's 'like)
 
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