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Dusty / Dimma relationship

BrummieTiger

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Hi all, long time stalker first time poster. Hope I survive my first outing.

Looking back at images of a young Dusty being drafted, essentially the first player in after Dimma's appointment, it occurs to me that after 244 games Damien Hardwick is still the only head coach he has played under at AFL level. This is actually a bit of a rarity.

I hope you guys will correct me if I'm wrong, but a bit of a quick check tells me that the Gordon Coventry/Jock McHale partnership looks like the most enduring player/coach relationship in VFL/AFL history with 306 (or 305, I'll explain the discrepancy) games. I've checked some of the obvious ones - Harvey/Pagan, Tuck/Jeans, Hodge/Clarkson. None of them really come close. Even Fletcher/Sheedy ended at about 286 games. I'm thinking that if Hardwick maintains the desire to keep coaching, and Martin keeps playing, they could well own this record within 3 seasons, certainly 4.

The Coventry/McHale discrepancy stems from the 1930 Grand Final in which McHale was absent with illness. He's still credited with being that seasons Premiership coach, but he wasn't even in attendance at the ground that day, and Bob Rush took charge of the Pies. With this in mind, it's also possible, maybe with some dispute, that Dustin Martin could become the first player to play from debut to game number 300 under the one coach.

I know I'm jumping the gun and a lot can happen in 3 seasons, but their relationship as player and coach is one already celebrated by Tigers fans, and to have actual statistics back up what most of us already think would make celebrating their relationship even sweeter. Anyway, I've nerded out enough. If any of you have any data that says different I'd honestly love to know. Thanks guys.
 
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taztiger4

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Hi all, long time stalker first time poster. Hope I survive my first outing.

Looking back at images of a young Dusty being drafted, essentially the first player in after Dimma's appointment, it occurs to me that after 244 games Damien Hardwick is still the only head coach he has played under at AFL level. This is actually a bit of a rarity.

I hope you guys will correct me if I'm wrong, but a bit of a quick check tells me that the Gordon Coventry/Jock McHale partnership looks like the most enduring player/coach relationship in VFL/AFL history with 306 (or 305, I'll explain the discrepancy) games. I've checked some of the obvious ones - Harvey/Pagan, Tuck/Jeans, Hodge/Clarkson. None of them really come close. Even Fletcher/Sheedy ended at about 286 games. I'm thinking that if Hardwick maintains the desire to keep coaching, and Martin keeps playing, they could well own this record within 3 seasons, certainly 4.

The Coventry/McHale discrepancy stems from the 1930 Grand Final in which McHale was absent with illness. He's still credited with being that seasons Premiership coach, but he wasn't even in attendance at the ground that day, and Bob Rush took charge of the Pies. With this in mind, it's also possible, maybe with some dispute, that Dustin Martin could become the first player to play from debut to game number 300 under the one coach.

I know I'm jumping the gun and a lot can happen in 3 seasons, but their relationship as player and coach is one already celebrated by Tigers fans, and to have actual statistics back up what most of us already think would make celebrating their relationship even sweeter. Anyway, I've nerded out enough. If any of you have any data that says different I'd honestly love to know. Thanks guys.
nice 1st post, well done
 
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DavidSSS

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Certainly more of a rarity these days too as some of those coaches way back when were in their positions for decades, Jock McHale and Norm Smith spring to mind, but mainly Jock McHale.

They do seem to have a good relationship, and beneficial for both of them, and us.

DS
 
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year of the tiger

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Interesting, Hardwick has earned the right to coach through our next rebuild if he wants to which will start in earnest when Cotch, Jack, Edwards, Grimes, Dusty and Astbury are all retired

Baring something terrible, Dusty is contracted for another 4? years and over these next 4 years the Hardwick / Martin partnership could become the most successful ever If we keep tracking the way we are now.

welcome to the addiction that is PRE
 
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tigerman

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Hi all, long time stalker first time poster. Hope I survive my first outing.

Looking back at images of a young Dusty being drafted, essentially the first player in after Dimma's appointment, it occurs to me that after 244 games Damien Hardwick is still the only head coach he has played under at AFL level. This is actually a bit of a rarity.

I hope you guys will correct me if I'm wrong, but a bit of a quick check tells me that the Gordon Coventry/Jock McHale partnership looks like the most enduring player/coach relationship in VFL/AFL history with 306 (or 305, I'll explain the discrepancy) games. I've checked some of the obvious ones - Harvey/Pagan, Tuck/Jeans, Hodge/Clarkson. None of them really come close. Even Fletcher/Sheedy ended at about 286 games. I'm thinking that if Hardwick maintains the desire to keep coaching, and Martin keeps playing, they could well own this record within 3 seasons, certainly 4.

The Coventry/McHale discrepancy stems from the 1930 Grand Final in which McHale was absent with illness. He's still credited with being that seasons Premiership coach, but he wasn't even in attendance at the ground that day, and Bob Rush took charge of the Pies. With this in mind, it's also possible, maybe with some dispute, that Dustin Martin could become the first player to play from debut to game number 300 under the one coach.

I know I'm jumping the gun and a lot can happen in 3 seasons, but their relationship as player and coach is one already celebrated by Tigers fans, and to have actual statistics back up what most of us already think would make celebrating their relationship even sweeter. Anyway, I've nerded out enough. If any of you have any data that says different I'd honestly love to know. Thanks guys.
Welcome aboard BrummieTiger.
Dimma and Dusty's bond looks to be getting stronger and stronger. I love how Dusty ran to Dimma straight after the siren in this years GF, a very special moment.
 
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leon

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Welcome, Brummie. Great opening post. Yes, as you highlight, they really do seem to have a great relationship. [Father in absentia?]
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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The Coventry/McHale discrepancy stems from the 1930 Grand Final in which McHale was absent with illness. He's still credited with being that seasons Premiership coach, but he wasn't even in attendance at the ground that day, and Bob Rush took charge of the Pies. With this in mind, it's also possible, maybe with some dispute, that Dustin Martin could become the first player to play from debut to game number 300 under the one coach.
The mind boggles at how sick old McHale must've been to miss a grand final...

Rightly or wrongly, McHale is credited with the 1930 GF among his 714 games, same as Sheedy was credited with a game he was absent for with Gary O'Donnell filling in.

GmsPlayerCoachClubCoach #Gms missed
306Coventry, GordonMcHale, JockColl1st27
282Hutchison, BillReynolds, DickEss1st26
278Roughead, JarrydClarkson, AlastairHaw1st69
276Fletcher, DustinSheedy, KevinEss1st75
260Lewis, JordanClarkson, AlastairHaw1st21
257Mitchell, SamClarkson, AlastairHaw3rd31
256Cox, DeanWorsfold, JohnW.C.2nd25
255Hodge, LukeClarkson, AlastairHaw3rd50
253Collier, HarryMcHale, JockColl1st33
253Hird, JamesSheedy, KevinEss1sr121
247Lucas, ScottSheedy, KevinEss1st31
247Madden, SimonSheedy, KevinEss4th36
244*Martin, DustinHardwick, DamienRich1st8
243O'Donnell, GarySheedy, KevinEss1st15
240Scarlett, MatthewThompson, MarkGeel2nd22
239Daniher, TerrySheedy, KevinEss3rd44
238Bewick, DarrenSheedy, KevinEss1st68
238Kyne, PhonseMcHale, JockColl1st72
237*Riewoldt, JackHardwick, DamienRich3rd15
...
231Bartlett, KevinHafey, TomRich3rd17
226*Cotchin, TrentHardwick, DamienRich3rd30
218*Edwards, ShaneHardwick, DamienRich3rd34
211Clay, DickHafey, TomRich1st20
202Sheedy, KevinHafey, TomRich1st27
201Bourke, Francis W.Hafey, TomRich1st27
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Who was Roughead's other coach?
Hmmm, it was Bolton but the column doesn't work the way I thought it did. It's a cumulative count of coaches so for the first 192 games, it's 1 for Roughead, then 2 for the five games under Bolton and the last 86 under Clarkson. There's a separate column with the coach ID in it. Will fix shortly.
 
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aoc1974

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Welcome aboard @BrummieTiger. You're so right about their relationship and you only have to watch the post grand final press conferences to see it. There's a mutual love in goin on.
Also, it proves that though Dustin doesn't say much, when he does, he's not the knucklehead many in the football world portray him as.
 
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larabee

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The mind boggles at how sick old McHale must've been to miss a grand final...

Rightly or wrongly, McHale is credited with the 1930 GF among his 714 games, same as Sheedy was credited with a game he was absent for with Gary O'Donnell filling in.

GmsPlayerCoachClubCoach #
306Coventry, GordonMcHale, JockColl1st
282Hutchison, BillReynolds, DickEss1st
278Roughead, JarrydClarkson, AlastairHaw1st
276Fletcher, DustinSheedy, KevinEss1st
260Lewis, JordanClarkson, AlastairHaw1st
257Mitchell, SamClarkson, AlastairHaw3rd
256Cox, DeanWorsfold, JohnW.C.2nd
255Hodge, LukeClarkson, AlastairHaw3rd
253Collier, HarryMcHale, JockColl1st
253Hird, JamesSheedy, KevinEss1sr
247Lucas, ScottSheedy, KevinEss1st
247Madden, SimonSheedy, KevinEss4th
244*Martin, DustinHardwick, DamienRich1st
243O'Donnell, GarySheedy, KevinEss1st
240Scarlett, MatthewThompson, MarkGeel2nd
239Daniher, TerrySheedy, KevinEss3rd
238Bewick, DarrenSheedy, KevinEss1st
238Kyne, PhonseMcHale, JockColl1st
237*Riewoldt, JackHardwick, DamienRich3rd
...
231Bartlett, KevinHafey, TomRich3rd
226*Cotchin, TrentHardwick, DamienRich3rd
218*Edwards, ShaneHardwick, DamienRich3rd
211Clay, DickHafey, TomRich1st
202Sheedy, KevinHafey, TomRich1st
201Bourke, Francis W.Hafey, TomRich1st
This shows how resilient Dusty has been over his career so far. 7 more games than Jack and 26 more than Shedda, but three years and two coaches less
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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This shows how resilient Dusty has been over his career so far. 7 more games than Jack and 26 more than Shedda, but three years and two coaches less
Fewest games missed to 244

MissedPlayerCareerClub(s)
5Johnson, Brad1994-2010WB
6Hart, Ben1992-2006Ad
6Goodes, Adam1999-2015Sy
7McHale, Jock1903-1920Co
7Richardson, Wayne1966-1978Co
7Yze, Adem1995-2008Me
8Pavlich, Matthew2000-2016Fr
8Martin, Dustin2010-2020Ri
9Thorp, Vic1910-1925Ri
10Stynes, Jim1987-1998Me
11Pearce, Danyle2005-2018PA,Fr
11Jones, Nathan2006-2020Me
13Wells, Greg T.1969-1982Me,Ca
13Moore, Kelvin D.1970-1984Ha
13Schimmelbusch, Wayne1973-1987NM
13Bradley, Craig1986-2002Ca
13Ricciuto, Mark1993-2007Ad
13Dangerfield, Patrick2008-2020Ad,Ge
14Burke, Nathan1987-2003St
14Cresswell, Daryn1992-2003Sy
14McLeod, Andrew1995-2010Ad
14Bolton, Jude1999-2013Sy
15McKay, Andrew1993-2003Ca
15Riewoldt, Jack2007-2020Ri
15Selwood, Joel2007-2020Ge
16Westhoff, Justin2007-2020PA
17Olliver, Arthur1935-1950WB
17Campbell, Wayne1991-2005Ri
17Pendlebury, Scott2006-2020Co
17Gibbs, Bryce2007-2020Ca,Ad
18Coventry, Gordon1920-1937Co
18Roos, Paul1982-1998Fi,Sy
18West, Scott1993-2008WB
18Judd, Chris2002-2015WC,Ca
18Dal Santo, Nick2002-2016St,NM
19Hutchison, Bill1942-1957Es
19Bartlett, Kevin1965-1983Ri
19Boak, Travis2007-2020PA
 
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larabee

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Fewest games missed to 244

MissedPlayerCareerClub(s)
5Johnson, Brad1994-2010WB
6Hart, Ben1992-2006Ad
6Goodes, Adam1999-2015Sy
7McHale, Jock1903-1920Co
7Richardson, Wayne1966-1978Co
7Yze, Adem1995-2008Me
8Pavlich, Matthew2000-2016Fr
8Martin, Dustin2010-2020Ri
9Thorp, Vic1910-1925Ri
10Stynes, Jim1987-1998Me
11Pearce, Danyle2005-2018PA,Fr
11Jones, Nathan2006-2020Me
13Wells, Greg T.1969-1982Me,Ca
13Moore, Kelvin D.1970-1984Ha
13Schimmelbusch, Wayne1973-1987NM
13Bradley, Craig1986-2002Ca
13Ricciuto, Mark1993-2007Ad
13Dangerfield, Patrick2008-2020Ad,Ge
14Burke, Nathan1987-2003St
14Cresswell, Daryn1992-2003Sy
14McLeod, Andrew1995-2010Ad
14Bolton, Jude1999-2013Sy
15McKay, Andrew1993-2003Ca
15Riewoldt, Jack2007-2020Ri
15Selwood, Joel2007-2020Ge
16Westhoff, Justin2007-2020PA
17Olliver, Arthur1935-1950WB
17Campbell, Wayne1991-2005Ri
17Pendlebury, Scott2006-2020Co
17Gibbs, Bryce2007-2020Ca,Ad
18Coventry, Gordon1920-1937Co
18Roos, Paul1982-1998Fi,Sy
18West, Scott1993-2008WB
18Judd, Chris2002-2015WC,Ca
18Dal Santo, Nick2002-2016St,NM
19Hutchison, Bill1942-1957Es
19Bartlett, Kevin1965-1983Ri
19Boak, Travis2007-2020PA
Nice one Lee. Surprised he's pipped Stynes, and surprised Stynes only just makes the top 10

But scratch my last comment about the comparison with Jack and Sheds - i read that as total games, not games under Dimma.
 
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