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Redford

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Yeah that was my initial sense but then I realised that was just a ruse. What they really fear is Villa buying back their car park and the success that will naturally flow from ample parking. Bastards!

Does anybody turn up to watch Arseton Village such that they’d need a car park anyway ?
 

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Leeds 1-1 against Liverpool, I think we (Leeds) are better when we only have 10 players :)
Next up Man United, a walk in the park.
 

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Interesting listening to Martin Tyler this morning. Thought it odd when he said the clubs belong to the community they don't belong to the owners. That owners are only passing through. Is that right? I would have thought they do "own" the club?

Will be interesting to see how serious fans are about their support of football in general over club loyalty. Many threatening to walk away from their support of the 6 clubs in the proposed super league but will they follow through?
 
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Panthera Tigris

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Leeds 1-1 against Liverpool, I think we (Leeds) are better when we only have 10 players :)
Next up Man United, a walk in the park.

Interesting listening to Martin Tyler this morning. Thought it odd when he said the clubs belong to the community they don't belong to the owners. That owners are only passing through. Is that right? I would have thought they do "own" the club?

Will be interesting to see how serious fans are about their support of football in general over club loyalty. Many threatening to walk away from their support of the 6 clubs in the proposed super league but will they follow through?

And good on Leeds as a club, protesting against the so called, 'big six' before the match.

Football is for the fans. Not a bunch of billionaire Russian and Arab owners and their billionaire JP Morgan backers. These people have no comprehension of tradition and connection to the fabric of grass roots society.

A working class pursuit being eviscerated in the pursuit of pure, unadulterated greed. Not even just a working class sport, it's an 'everyone' game where all social classes have tended to unite. This is why I'm such a big supporter of grass roots sport. It's about valuing tradition and having tangible, 'organic' links between the elite end of a sport and the grass roots level, and hence, being intertwined to the fabric of grass roots society for the greater good.

In truth, greed took over a long time ago. This is just the next phase of heading down the self defeating cul de sac. And other sporting bodies - like the AFL - should take note. I feel as a sport, we are on that precipice.

Tradition and deep connection and interlinkage with the community that you exist for are worth more than any money.
 
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Interesting listening to Martin Tyler this morning. Thought it odd when he said the clubs belong to the community they don't belong to the owners. That owners are only passing through. Is that right? I would have thought they do "own" the club?

Will be interesting to see how serious fans are about their support of football in general over club loyalty. Many threatening to walk away from their support of the 6 clubs in the proposed super league but will they follow through?

They won't follow through. All emotive bs.

What they will do however, is when fans of those clubs regularly finishing in the bottom half of the Euro Super League.....they'll all lose interest completely and start moaning about getting back into their domestic league where they can be a big fish in a smaller pond again.

If this ESL thing gets up, I don't see it lasting any more than a few years. Some clubs could really set themselves back considerably eg Spurs who can't win Jack in England let alone anything against the Euro super powers as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is all a ruse by these clubs to screw more revenue out of the controlling bodies of their domestic competitions.
 
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They won't follow through. All emotive bs.

What they will do however, is when fans of those clubs regularly finishing in the bottom half of the Euro Super League.....they'll all lose interest completely and start moaning about getting back into their domestic league where they can be a big fish in a smaller pond again.

If this ESL thing gets up, I don't see it lasting any more than a few years. Some clubs could really set themselves back considerably eg Spurs who can't win Jack in England let alone anything against the Euro super powers as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is all a ruse by these clubs to screw more revenue out of the controlling bodies of their domestic competitions.
They wont leave their domestic leagues though, the proposed Super League is a mid week tournament that replaces or rivals the Champions League
 

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They wont leave their domestic leagues though, the proposed Super League is a mid week tournament that replaces the Champions League

I thought they've been told by their domestic leagues that they are out if they create and join the ESL ?

"UEFA, the English Football Association and the Premier League, the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) and LaLiga, and the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) and Lega Serie A have learned that a few English, Spanish and Italian clubs may be planning to announce their creation of a closed, so-called Super League.

If this were to happen, we wish to reiterate that we – UEFA, the English FA, RFEF, FIGC, the Premier League, LaLiga, Lega Serie A, but also FIFA and all our member associations – will remain united in our efforts to stop this cynical project, a project that is founded on the self-interest of a few clubs at a time when society needs solidarity more than ever.

We will consider all measures available to us, at all levels, both judicial and sporting in order to prevent this happening. Football is based on open competitions and sporting merit; it cannot be any other way.

As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."
 

Panthera Tigris

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A point of interest in all of this, that the German clubs declined the invitation. The German culture is very much founded on mutual obligation. The clubs feel they are the community and the community is them. Even a club that has reached the heights of Bayern and Dortmund. The ownership structure entrenches this. The Super League concept is very much the antithesis of these underlying principles of mutual obligation.

German professional clubs take seriously their obligation and duty to underpin the community and system that underpins them. In other words, they are acutely aware that they wouldn't even exist without the vast pyramid of professional, semi-professional, amateur, right down to village level little league clubs that gave rise to them in the first place. And indeed this obligation extends to German society more generally. It's a large part of why German football is so successful consistently at international level. It is far more self sustaining.
 
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I thought they've been told by their domestic leagues that they are out if they create and join the ESL ?

"UEFA, the English Football Association and the Premier League, the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) and LaLiga, and the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) and Lega Serie A have learned that a few English, Spanish and Italian clubs may be planning to announce their creation of a closed, so-called Super League.

If this were to happen, we wish to reiterate that we – UEFA, the English FA, RFEF, FIGC, the Premier League, LaLiga, Lega Serie A, but also FIFA and all our member associations – will remain united in our efforts to stop this cynical project, a project that is founded on the self-interest of a few clubs at a time when society needs solidarity more than ever.

We will consider all measures available to us, at all levels, both judicial and sporting in order to prevent this happening. Football is based on open competitions and sporting merit; it cannot be any other way.

As previously announced by FIFA and the six Confederations, the clubs concerned will be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level, and their players could be denied the opportunity to represent their national teams."
That's correct, but the ESL clubs have said they want the support of the domestic leagues/ EUFA & FIFA.

They will ultimately meet somewhere in the middle
 

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They wont leave their domestic leagues though, the proposed Super League is a mid week tournament that replaces or rivals the Champions League
I may have heard it wrong, I thought the super league are wanting to play on weekends, more revenue.
 

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A point of interest in all of this, that the German clubs declined the invitation. The German culture is very much founded on mutual obligation. The clubs feel they are the community and the community is them. Even a club that has reached the heights of Bayern and Dortmund. The ownership structure entrenches this. The Super League concept is very much the antithesis of these underlying principles of mutual obligation.

German professional clubs take seriously their obligation and duty to underpin the community and system that underpins them. In other words, they are acutely aware that they wouldn't even exist without the vast pyramid of professional, semi-professional, amateur, right down to village level little league clubs that gave rise to them in the first place. And indeed this obligation extends to German society more generally. It's a large part of why German football is so successful consistently at international level. It is far more self sustaining.

German clubs are believe are legally bound to be 51% owned by the fans of that club, so unless fans vote for it, it will never be passed. Its one of those reasons that the large investment groups have focused so much on the premier league as there are no such rules and they have shown repeatedly they are willing to sell out to the highest bidder.

The one thats surprised me is PSG who seemingly have declined to be involved (at this stage), also owned by an Arab group like Manchester City.
 

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A point of interest in all of this, that the German clubs declined the invitation. The German culture is very much founded on mutual obligation. The clubs feel they are the community and the community is them. Even a club that has reached the heights of Bayern and Dortmund. The ownership structure entrenches this. The Super League concept is very much the antithesis of these underlying principles of mutual obligation.

German professional clubs take seriously their obligation and duty to underpin the community and system that underpins them. In other words, they are acutely aware that they wouldn't even exist without the vast pyramid of professional, semi-professional, amateur, right down to village level little league clubs that gave rise to them in the first place. And indeed this obligation extends to German society more generally. It's a large part of why German football is so successful consistently at international level. It is far more self sustaining.
*smile* love ze chermans.
 

Panthera Tigris

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German clubs are believe are legally bound to be 51% owned by the fans of that club, so unless fans vote for it, it will never be passed. Its one of those reasons that the large investment groups have focused so much on the premier league as there are no such rules and they have shown repeatedly they are willing to sell out to the highest bidder.

The one thats surprised me is PSG who seemingly have declined to be involved (at this stage), also owned by an Arab group like Manchester City.
*smile* love ze chermans.
Yes. Good point on PSG. Perhaps the owners weren’t so arrogant as to believe they could run roughshod over the community, fans and system that the club owes it’s existence to.

I must say, I haven’t really read much about the underpinnings of French football. But Dutch football I believe follows similar principles to German football. A very logically hierarchy based on mutual obligation and complimentary relationships between all of its parts. Not sure if it’s ownership structure is as explicit as the German clubs in order to reinforce this order. But as far as I have read, the game is run in the Netherlands in a similar way. And once again, very consistent international performer. Punching well outside their weight.
 
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mrposhman

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That's correct, but the ESL clubs have said they want the support of the domestic leagues/ EUFA & FIFA.

They will ultimately meet somewhere in the middle

The problem it provides to both domestic and european competitions, is that there will be a significant revenue advantage to those that are allowed to join the ESL. Its a massive competitive advantage that they can use to (and even more so than now) stockpile the best players and make it even harder than it currently is for teams to break into that top echelon of clubs. Why do you think Spurs and Arsenal have jumped at it, it provides them with something to give them a significant advantage over their current position in the EPL.