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FFF - The Freddie Fittler Factor

mexican_radio said:
where does Jade Rawlings fit into your criteria? (sorry if I missed it, I tried to read this whole thread first)

also, do you think there would be any point is looking outside the AFL? Sometimes I think that Richmond may only break out of our massive down cycle by trying truly creative and innovative thinking. When was the last time we set a trend?

The only time I can remember this even being considered was when Ric Charlesworth was being considered for Adelaide, but it didn;t get much oxygen. If it were to even happen, I'd like to see John Eales or Wayne Bennett (what he's done with the Dragons is nothing short of a modern day coaching miracle).
 
josey said:
What premiership did clarkson play in??

Pretty sure he left North before 1996.

Spot on Josey

North Melbourne
Clarkson was recruited from Kaniva, Victoria to the North Melbourne Football Club, where he made his VFL debut in 1987, kicking the winning goal after the siren. He played mainly as a half-forward and stood at 177cms, before moving into the midfield. In 1995, he was made captain of the reserves side, with chances of senior selection unlikely due to the presence of midfielders such as Schwass, Stevens and Rock. He played just 93 games with the Roos for 61 goals in his 9 seasons there until '95.
Move to Melbourne
With limited opportunity at the Roos, Clarkson was picked up by the Melbourne Football Club where he debuted in 1996. He was a solid player and averaged 23.5 disposals in his 22 games that year. He played a further 19 games in 1997, taking his tally with the Demons up to 41 games, before being delisted at the end of the season.
Coaching career
Clarkson moved into coaching, first with Werribee in the VFL, followed by roles at St Kilda and Central Districts where he was a premiership coach in 2001. In 2003 he became the midfield coach at Port Adelaide (and forward coach in 2004).
He was appointed his first senior AFL coaching role at the Hawthorn Football Club for the 2005 season, The Hawthorn Football Club appointed Clarkson to lead their rebuilding phase. While his side could only manage 5 wins in his debut season finishing 14th, 2006 saw the side improve, winning their last 4 games in a row, and taking them 11th spot on the ladder. The Hawks continued to improve in 2007, winning 13 games and finishing fifth on the premiership table. This took them into the finals, where they eliminated Adelaide in the first elimination final, before being eliminated themselves in the second semi-final against the Kangaroos. On 13 May 2008 the Hawthorn Football Club announced that Clarkson had signed a contract until the end of 2011. In 2008 Clarkson took the Hawks to second place on the ladder in the home and away season, behind Geelong, a team who lost only a single game during that period. After defeating the Western Bulldogs and then St Kilda in post-season football to qualify for the Grand Final, he then coached the Hawks to what many believed was impossible - a Grand Final win over the dominant 2008 Geelong Cats. The 2008 Premiership is the pinnacle of his career, completing a meteoric rise in his tenure as coach at Hawthorn.

Courtesy Wikipedia
 
Foxtrot said:
Also - as a player he was very much a lad with the odd off field miss -step as opposed to Buckley's relentless preparation/dedication cyborg-ness [though that's probably something that happens across the board in RL culture-wise]

KnightersRevenge said:
Freddie's fall from grace is now complete. Check the news wires today for the story. :hihi

Ha ha - Nice of him to provide an example so promptly. Can you imagine Bucks [or any AFL coach for that matter] doing that?

Well Mark Harvey maybe.
 
hopper said:
All the talk this week of $800k for Buckley and young versus untried versus old versus experienced coaches got me to some thinking. (Yes, it hurts for us Territorians!).

I think there are some inherent risks in giving the gig to an untried coach with no coaching background. Freddie Fittler at the NRL Sydney Roosters is a perfect example. The club was battling and its one legend was retiring. He was viewed as a great fella, articulate and popular with the masses. He took the job with nothing to lose and his appointment inspired the team. The wins came amidst the euphoria of new energy and enthusiasm. But the improvement lacked substance and attention to the important stuff - team structures and disciplines. The enthusiasm waned and quickly Fittler was coaching a cellar dweller and fending off rumours that his career is in jeopardy. A false dawn - something we know a little bit about.

With the benefit of hindsight, we made the same mistake in choosing Wallace. We took the shiny, glittering object when our improvement required substance and grit. We fell for the trap of populism.

When thinking popular in AFL circles, almost nobody comes close to Buckley. Geez, for a Collingwood bloke I even like him! He makes sense on the tv and says the things that the average bloke in his armchair is thinking. But to be honest - it doesn't take a hard nosed genius to start bagging Jordan McMahon, but Bucks has drawn applause for it. Your mistakes aren't highlighted as a commentator, your creativity isn't tested, your relationship with those you chastise isn't important.

Many will make arguments for those who have made this work. Ratten is one - but has he ever had to maintain finals form in a team that isn't bringing in a raft of no.1 selections into their prime. Voss is another - but he's well and truly in honeymoon mode and is yet to face the Freddie Fittler test. Somebody recently noted that new coaches are judged on their 3rd year and not their 1st. I'd suggest that for every Ratten and Voss (as unproven and short term succesful as they have been) there's a Tim Watson and a Kevin Bartlett to counter it.

For these reasons, I think Buckley would be a poor choice. The last thing we should do in our desperation is to not learn from our mistakes. No more shiny, glittering objects I'd say.

Our preferred criteria needs to be:
1. Experience in coaching and/or assistant coaching in finals.
2. Exposure to more than one successful culture.
3. Psychological profile that shows determination, vision and a resistence to the temptation of populism.
4. Proven man management and communications skills (do not read as media skills) with a continual improvement purpose.
5. References that can attest to innovation and honest appraisal of performance.

For me, that leaves our major candidates as ...
1. Hardwick
2. Malthouse
3. Longmire
4. Daylight

It leaves out ...
1. Buckley
2. Cameron
3. Bond
4. Hinkley

Your thoughts?? Others that can be slotted into either the "in" or "out" categories??

Is this the most articulate, considered and error free post of 2009???

Well done :clap

For what it's worth - I'm on the Hardwick bandwagon. Wary of Malthouse for the simple reason that ten years at one club without success does not bode well for what he might achieve with our playing list. In an ideal world I'd love to see Sheedy for one year with Hird as Assistant before handing over the reins. Unfortunately it will never happen
 
Just on the subject of Fittler on the eve of th e Roosters game in Townsville he couldn't find his hotel room because he was too drunk.Fined $10,000,great example for players.
 
The NRL is in real trouble at the moment the booze culture is so deeply engrained that these blokes just cannot see common sense.

I love a drink as much as anyone but i know where to draw the line ffs.

Well done to Freddie Fittler just another black mark on a shocking year for Eastern Suburbs Cheque book wavers .......... such a shame :hihi :hihi
 
craig said:
The NRL is in real trouble at the moment the booze culture is so deeply engrained that these blokes just cannot see common sense.

I love a drink as much as anyone but i know where to draw the line ffs.

Well done to Freddie Fittler just another black mark on a shocking year for Eastern Suburbs Cheque book wavers .......... such a shame :hihi :hihi
He'll be gone at season's end
 
mb64 said:
Just on the subject of Fittler on the eve of th e Roosters game in Townsville he couldn't find his hotel room because he was too drunk.Fined $10,000,great example for players.

How bizarre......... always liked Fittler the player, didn;t mind him as Fittler the clown on the Footy Show, but this is pathetic - something is really wrong for this too occur......... :P
 
mb64 said:
Just on the subject of Fittler on the eve of th e Roosters game in Townsville he couldn't find his hotel room because he was too drunk.Fined $10,000,great example for players.

Okay, but can someone explain why he was "half naked" ?
 
I think exposing ones genitalia, backside or running around half naked or fully naked is pretty much par for the course at any NRL drinking session.

If one of the above does not occur than one of a mandatory, fighting, drink driving, sexual misadvances and public urination are a must
 
hopper said:
All the talk this week of $800k for Buckley and young versus untried versus old versus experienced coaches got me to some thinking. (Yes, it hurts for us Territorians!).

I think there are some inherent risks in giving the gig to an untried coach with no coaching background. Freddie Fittler at the NRL Sydney Roosters is a perfect example. The club was battling and its one legend was retiring. He was viewed as a great fella, articulate and popular with the masses. He took the job with nothing to lose and his appointment inspired the team. The wins came amidst the euphoria of new energy and enthusiasm. But the improvement lacked substance and attention to the important stuff - team structures and disciplines. The enthusiasm waned and quickly Fittler was coaching a cellar dweller and fending off rumours that his career is in jeopardy. A false dawn - something we know a little bit about.

With the benefit of hindsight, we made the same mistake in choosing Wallace. We took the shiny, glittering object when our improvement required substance and grit. We fell for the trap of populism.

When thinking popular in AFL circles, almost nobody comes close to Buckley. Geez, for a Collingwood bloke I even like him! He makes sense on the tv and says the things that the average bloke in his armchair is thinking. But to be honest - it doesn't take a hard nosed genius to start bagging Jordan McMahon, but Bucks has drawn applause for it. Your mistakes aren't highlighted as a commentator, your creativity isn't tested, your relationship with those you chastise isn't important.

Many will make arguments for those who have made this work. Ratten is one - but has he ever had to maintain finals form in a team that isn't bringing in a raft of no.1 selections into their prime. Voss is another - but he's well and truly in honeymoon mode and is yet to face the Freddie Fittler test. Somebody recently noted that new coaches are judged on their 3rd year and not their 1st. I'd suggest that for every Ratten and Voss (as unproven and short term succesful as they have been) there's a Tim Watson and a Kevin Bartlett to counter it.

For these reasons, I think Buckley would be a poor choice. The last thing we should do in our desperation is to not learn from our mistakes. No more shiny, glittering objects I'd say.

Our preferred criteria needs to be:
1. Experience in coaching and/or assistant coaching in finals.
2. Exposure to more than one successful culture.
3. Psychological profile that shows determination, vision and a resistence to the temptation of populism.
4. Proven man management and communications skills (do not read as media skills) with a continual improvement purpose.
5. References that can attest to innovation and honest appraisal of performance.

For me, that leaves our major candidates as ...
1. Hardwick
2. Malthouse
3. Longmire
4. Daylight

It leaves out ...
1. Buckley
2. Cameron
3. Bond
4. Hinkley

Your thoughts?? Others that can be slotted into either the "in" or "out" categories??

An excellent post that has made me reconsider. Like many on here I have been tantalised by the thought of getting Buckley.... I was also lured into Wallace in 2004.... :-[
 
The Mighty Wozman said:
An excellent post that has made me reconsider. Like many on here I have been tantalised by the thought of getting Buckley.... I was also lured into Wallace in 2004.... :-[
Yeh I was very happy when we landed Wallace too, Wozza. Reckon we shouldn't make the same mistake twice.

And I want to apologise to Freddie Fittler as it seems my criticism has driven him to the bottle. What a powerful little internet forum this has become!! ;)