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Finish with momentum or go for a better draft pick?
- Thread starter tigerjoe
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the claw said:we didnt tank in 2004 we were just a pathetic rabble with over 25 duds on the list.Digglers Ghost said:the claw said:
What about 2004 claw which netted us Deledio & Tambling?
Think before you post mate. ::
snipe.....snipe....snipe
how many players from 2004 are left on the list, and how many of them are likely to remain on the list after this year?
Play every game as per normal...... if we end up with pick 7ish then i would use that and a player to trade down to ensure we get one of the big guns in this draft (krak and 7 for roos pick4) This is the chance to do something like this...... Still i can see us losing 3 of the last 4. 
I hope we lose every match and get the best picks available. Winning culture means nothing if you don't have the players to implement it (Essendon and Carlton are the ultimate examples of this), although obviously the deluded amongst us are still seriously overrating our list (you would have thought three 100 point plus loses this season might have actually opened their eyes a little...oh well...). Plus the momentum arguable is actually pretty laughable. Two of our last four games are against Carlton and Essendon, who are both probably going to tank by then in a desperate attempt to get Bryce Gibbs anyhow. Petty miserable momentum there for the taking if you ask me. Also let's face it we'll no doubt be thrashed by West Coast in the last round anyhow. So there goes all your precious so-called momentum up the spout regardless.
Plus the whole notion of 'momentum' is overrated anyhow. Our tanking rivals at the Lexus centre had none last year and finished second from the bottom. Where are they now? (and more importantly look what they got for it in the draft). Each season is different, the fortunes of clubs swing widely between them. And it's a long time between the last match of a season and the first of the next. The idea that what we do now during these last four matches will have any major impact on next year is pretty ludicrous (look for example at the momentum that Geelong had in winning the pre-season cup this year - but where did it take them - and that was all in the same year!)
Bottomline is that wins right now are not only worthless with the finals gone they will also cost us big time in the long run. Although sadly as the Claw observed, I don't think we'll have the intelligence or foresight to recognize that. We've been so starved for success for so long, we'd rather grap worthless wins and risk permanent mid-table mediocrity than look at the look term.
Plus the whole notion of 'momentum' is overrated anyhow. Our tanking rivals at the Lexus centre had none last year and finished second from the bottom. Where are they now? (and more importantly look what they got for it in the draft). Each season is different, the fortunes of clubs swing widely between them. And it's a long time between the last match of a season and the first of the next. The idea that what we do now during these last four matches will have any major impact on next year is pretty ludicrous (look for example at the momentum that Geelong had in winning the pre-season cup this year - but where did it take them - and that was all in the same year!)
Bottomline is that wins right now are not only worthless with the finals gone they will also cost us big time in the long run. Although sadly as the Claw observed, I don't think we'll have the intelligence or foresight to recognize that. We've been so starved for success for so long, we'd rather grap worthless wins and risk permanent mid-table mediocrity than look at the look term.
We have no chance of getting priority picks like Collingwood etc did last year,so we may as well try to win. We will get one player, maybe 2 in the first round if we have something decent to trade. Even if we lost all our matches we probably won't even move down the ladder much because most of the teams under us won't win either or are too far behind already.
It may be a superdraft, but who's to say that a top 5 pick may be struck down by injury and become, dare I say it..... a dud. While a number 18 pick may be a 200 game club champion.There is also an element of luck to some of these picks, you only have to look at history for that. Having said that, an early pick, does imply that you have a greater chance of securing a top line player, especially this year, but why stress if it is going to be pick 6 or pick 7. It depends what the clubs before us are going to go for. We may get lucky, who knows.
And as for Collingwood being able to bounce back up this year, they were never that bad last year and didn't deserve priority picks. They had one bad year, caused through injuries to key players. Dale Thomas looks good, but they are playing better this year ,purely with the players they already had. Last years draft picks have not really improved them this year, they would have gone up anyway due to improvement from players they already had, a soft draw, and not many injuries. Last years draft picks will come on, but that is not why they have magically leapt up the ladder this year.
It may be a superdraft, but who's to say that a top 5 pick may be struck down by injury and become, dare I say it..... a dud. While a number 18 pick may be a 200 game club champion.There is also an element of luck to some of these picks, you only have to look at history for that. Having said that, an early pick, does imply that you have a greater chance of securing a top line player, especially this year, but why stress if it is going to be pick 6 or pick 7. It depends what the clubs before us are going to go for. We may get lucky, who knows.
And as for Collingwood being able to bounce back up this year, they were never that bad last year and didn't deserve priority picks. They had one bad year, caused through injuries to key players. Dale Thomas looks good, but they are playing better this year ,purely with the players they already had. Last years draft picks have not really improved them this year, they would have gone up anyway due to improvement from players they already had, a soft draw, and not many injuries. Last years draft picks will come on, but that is not why they have magically leapt up the ladder this year.
I don't really want to see the club tank games, i want them to play to win.
But i'd like to see a top 6 pick.
But i'd like to see a top 6 pick.
The best teams in the AFL, Crows, Eagles and Swans haven’t rebuilt from high draft picks. They have built from being well run, well organized teams that draft well, whatever the position. Stocking the team with top 5 picks (lets call it the St Kilda model) has yet to be proved to be successful, although there is still time for the Saints.
Agreed that drafting is an inexact science, and the difference between pick 6 or pick 8 probably isn’t that much. Look at Petts, he went right at the end of the top ten in his draft year and he turned out to be one of the best of the ten. :hihi :hihi
Agreed that drafting is an inexact science, and the difference between pick 6 or pick 8 probably isn’t that much. Look at Petts, he went right at the end of the top ten in his draft year and he turned out to be one of the best of the ten. :hihi :hihi