Footy Classlessfied

[Liverpool]

I've come to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter who the RFC appoint as coach, within three years they'll have broken him just like they have every one else. I live in hope that there is someone out there who can get these blokes to take some pride in themselves and play some decent football on a consistent basis, but it's fading fast. Pretty much every rotten, snide, nasty criticism that is levelled at the once proud Tigers is completely true and cannot be defended against. The players give the critics ammunition nearly every time they take the field.

What we have is a cancer.

We have had president after president......coach after coach...player after player....draft pick after draft pick.....and really, what i saw last Thursday night was no different to what I saw in the late-80s, the late 90's, or the early part of this century.

What we have is like a bacteria that spreads by going host to host.....ravaging every new young gun player we draft or good pick up from another club.

Look.....on paper, I think we have a pretty good team.
But the game plan Wallace has is based on the Bulldogs one he had.....a small/mobile forward line, which relies on accurate passes into the forward-50 and spotting targets.
The problem is, while Wallace may have had that at the Dogs.....he doesn't have that at Richmond.

He would be far better served (as Northey did in 95 and Frawley in 01) by moving the ball quick banging it down to tall forwards.

The problem is, the way Wallace has built this team doesn't allow him that.
Our tallest forward the other night when Richo was up the ground was young Riewoldt......so we are not stuck, maybe for years after Wallace's tenure in this "skill based game plan".

 

[AstuteTiger]

Hardwick is the man. With him at the helm I guarrantee you the entire team including the medical staff would have been out on the field giving it right back to Cloke after he laid a cheap one on Cousins.

dont get me started on that dog cam cloke, to hit Cuz off the ball was a weak act, there were guys going off at the fence at cloke calling him every word under the sun...saw it again on replay and just thought weak act from a very ave player....

Not sure if any of our blokes saw it but gee u wouldve expected some of the cavalry to step in right in clokes face and let him know all about it....

 

[Dyer Disciple]

What we have is a cancer.

We have had president after president......coach after coach...player after player....draft pick after draft pick.....and really, what i saw last Thursday night was no different to what I saw in the late-80s, the late 90's, or the early part of this century.

What we have is like a bacteria that spreads by going host to host.....ravaging every new young gun player we draft or good pick up from another club.

Look.....on paper, I think we have a pretty good team.
But the game plan Wallace has is based on the Bulldogs one he had.....a small/mobile forward line, which relies on accurate passes into the forward-50 and spotting targets.
The problem is, while Wallace may have had that at the Dogs.....he doesn't have that at Richmond.

He would be far better served (as Northey did in 95 and Frawley in 01) by moving the ball quick banging it down to tall forwards.

The problem is, the way Wallace has built this team doesn't allow him that.
Our tallest forward the other night when Richo was up the ground was young Riewoldt......so we are not stuck, maybe for years after Wallace's tenure in this "skill based game plan".

Great post. Agree with every line. I do think things are changing genuinely for the better off field, the footy department is generally always the last to improve at clubs. If Wallace goes then there will be (or at least there should be) a near entire cleanout of the footy department. Between a healthier board and a new and well built football department I think there would be a decent base to work on list wise.

It wouldn't be like 2004. It would be more similar (not the same) as Ratten coming in as he did to Carlton.

 

[Disco08]

The list may be somewhat better than 2004 but it seems pretty clear that a rebuild is on the cards with the introduction of a new coach. Shame we're going to have to rebuild just when all the draft picks are being given to the Gold Coast.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

What we have is a cancer.

We have had president after president......coach after coach...player after player....draft pick after draft pick.....and really, what i saw last Thursday night was no different to what I saw in the late-80s, the late 90's, or the early part of this century.

What we have is like a bacteria that spreads by going host to host.....ravaging every new young gun player we draft or good pick up from another club.

Look.....on paper, I think we have a pretty good team.
But the game plan Wallace has is based on the Bulldogs one he had.....a small/mobile forward line, which relies on accurate passes into the forward-50 and spotting targets.
The problem is, while Wallace may have had that at the Dogs.....he doesn't have that at Richmond.

He would be far better served (as Northey did in 95 and Frawley in 01) by moving the ball quick banging it down to tall forwards.

The problem is, the way Wallace has built this team doesn't allow him that.
Our tallest forward the other night when Richo was up the ground was young Riewoldt......so we are not stuck, maybe for years after Wallace's tenure in this "skill based game plan".

Lets hope they find a cure for cancer, otherwise we will continue to go through this for many long years.

I have said this many times.....it is amazing that with all of the different coaches, players, administrators etc. over such a long period that the same problems remain. I am at a loss as to how it can be fixed. Better people than most of us here would have gone into Punt Road thinking they had the answer only to leave shattered and wondering what else they could have done.

Will a new coach solve the problems? We thought it would many times in the past and it didn't. We can only hope that this time will be different (assuming Terry's papers are stamped).

 

[Mac]

People! People! Let's not lose sight of what this thread is about....

...that Hutchy more than likely picks his nose during the add break.

 

[poppa x]

Malthouse also said that he bases his game plan on the talent he has available. He doesn't copy a premiership teams plan because he may not have the players to execute it.
Now put into Terry Towel context. He's copying the Hawthorn/Geelong plan which relies on great skills - which we don't have. Malthouse OTH uses his teams aggression as his best weapon. This tends to make skill less important and brings others back to Collingwoods level.

2c.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Malthouse also said that he bases his game plan on the talent he has available. He doesn't copy a premiership teams plan because he may not have the players to execute it.

Only way too Coach as far as I am concerned. Clarkson didn't become a good coach by copying Geelong, West Coast or Sydney. More to the point, the best sides recruit and develop/play only players that like competitive football, we are too focussed on finesse which is ironic considering we lack it.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Now put into Terry Towel context. He's copying the Hawthorn/Geelong plan which relies on great skills - which we don't have.

As DD said on another thread, Wallace has become an imitator as opposed to an instigator yet hasn't put 2 and 2 together to realise we haven't got the cattle to execute game plans of the top sides.
Also I have always also believed Wallace the strategist is better at cutely countering successful gameplans on occasion rather than developing a truly successful/sustainable one of his own.

 

[Mac]

Yes I agree...Footy Classified DOES have some annoying personalities on it!

 

[year of the tiger]

As DD said on another thread, Wallace has become an imitator as opposed to an instigator yet hasn't put 2 and 2 together to realise we haven't got the cattle to execute game plans of the top sides.
Also I have always also believed Wallace the strategist is better at cutely countering successful gameplans on occasion rather than developing a truly successful/sustainable one of his own.

It is now widely regarded that the Richo to the wing was a good innovation (essendon unsuccessfully copied with Lloyd last week).

Yes I agree...Footy Classified DOES have some annoying personalities on it!

Agree - the Caro - Hutchie sparing seems to be a bit staged at times and Hutchie continuous desire to make evey comment provocative is tiring

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

It is now widely regarded that the Richo to the wing was a good innovation

Except that all and sundry (including Wallace) acknowledged that it was done out of necessity to develop other avenues to goal. Additionally, Frawley had tried it unsuccessfully a few back, when Richo got stitched up by Reiwoldt.

 

[Skills]

Eddie's response to Caro:
http://www.podsentral.com/sites/default/files/eddie%20on%20sheedy.mp3

 

[hellenictiger]

All channel 9 football shows are staged, Caro and Hutchy want to smile sometimes when they have a crack at eachother, I'm sick of her on tv, she looks like *smile*.

On Carro she has some great thoughts on Richmond, even though they are biased she cares, but she has had some appauling stories in the paper lately that are baseless.

On our coach, well I give up...who at Richmond really remembers what it was like?

 

[clown]

Malthouse also said that he bases his game plan on the talent he has available. He doesn't copy a premiership teams plan because he may not have the players to execute it.
Now put into Terry Towel context. He's copying the Hawthorn/Geelong plan which relies on great skills - which we don't have. Malthouse OTH uses his teams aggression as his best weapon. This tends to make skill less important and brings others back to Collingwoods level.

2c.

Totally aggree with you. Terry has to coach according to the strengths of the list that he has and his game plan has to suit. Clarkson had his game plan in mind when he first came to the club and the club built the list to suit that game plan. Terry just wants to recruit smaller quick players and expect them to adapt to any style of play which can chop and change according to what other clubs are doing and so the players have no idea what to do and it shows very badly.

 

[Matiger]

The list may be somewhat better than 2004 but it seems pretty clear that a rebuild is on the cards with the introduction of a new coach. Shame we're going to have to rebuild just when all the draft picks are being given to the Gold Coast.

Yep terrible timing. I just hope they dont use it as an excuse not to clean house. A complete gutting of list and starting from scratch is the only thing that will stop the rot once and for all.

 

[doherz]

As DD said on another thread, Wallace has become an imitator as opposed to an instigator yet hasn't put 2 and 2 together to realise we haven't got the cattle to execute game plans of the top sides.
Also I have always also believed Wallace the strategist is better at cutely countering successful gameplans on occasion rather than developing a truly successful/sustainable one of his own.

He did this last year - mixed things around in the first 4 weeks until he got annoyed and put everyone on notice. Then guess what happened. WE SMASHED FREO IN PERTH and turned the season around from there. The same will happen in round four this year.

 

[Tigerbob]

He did this last year - mixed things around in the first 4 weeks until he got annoyed and put everyone on notice. Then guess what happened. WE SMASHED FREO IN PERTH and turned the season around from there. The same will happen in round four this year.

Gee ninth place to look forward to, happy days are back!

 

[Tigers of Old]

The same will happen in round four this year.

Great, who do we play in round 4?