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Full Back - Who will play there?

Crazy Costanza said:
Buddy...I have not bagged him. Learn to read. Show me where I have stuck the boot into Thursfield and I will retire from this forum right away. All I'm saying is he is not big enough to play full back.

Given Thursfield has played on guys like Riewoldt and Lucas as a 19yo in the past, is the same height as Craig Bolton who regularly plays fullback for the Swans (and will easily achieve the same weight) and is mentioned on the club website as a possible 'key defender', I'd say both Will and the club's coaches have at least some (if not alot) of hope that he can play fullback in the future.

With all that said, this sentence would have to be deemed pretty close to sticking the boot in wouldn't it?

Crazy Costanza said:
Don't get me wrong....I hope Thursfield makes a strong recovery but he is not, nor will he ever be a Full Back.
 
Have been looking at the lists of other clubs for guys who could play full back that we might target
Ken McGregor(Adel) 195cm 96kg 27
Henry Playfair(Geel) 198cm 100kg 25
Leigh Brown(Roos) 194cm 100kg 26
Jaymie Graham(WC) 196cm 95kg 26
Brad Miller(Melb) 194cm 96kg 24
Thoughts??
 
King of the Jungle said:
Have been looking at the lists of other clubs for guys who could play full back that we might target
Ken McGregor(Adel) 195cm 96kg 27
Henry Playfair(Geel) 198cm 100kg 25
Leigh Brown(Roos) 194cm 100kg 26
Jaymie Graham(WC) 196cm 95kg 26
Brad Miller(Melb) 194cm 96kg 24
Thoughts??

its great in theory to peruse lists and pick out bif body players but none have actually ever played FB
 
CC TIGER said:
the thing I like most is his closing speed an ability to get a fist on the ball

I think this is a FBs greatest strength, particularly with the new hands in the back rule and the move away from contested marking with the introduction of the heavy & precise possession game.

That I can see, there is little reward for FBs in the modern game who purely wrestle body to body with the gorillas. FBs the likes of Mick Martyn are dinosaurs in the modern game. The position has become so much more than the ability to purely negate. They must also create.

Whilst some size & muscle is important, a successful FBs wits and athleticism is far more important in beating their opponent.
Silvagni, the full back of the century, was a relative stick when he played on the likes of Lockett and Dunstall. He rarely played the wrestling game and his success with that approach speaks for it's self.
Even Darren Gaspar, no man mountain, successfully relied on his speed and smarts at his best, more so than strength and muscle. From my perspective it's not ever been Gaspar's ability hold an opponent that's been under question, it's his weaknesses in other areas.

For this reason I have hopes that one of Thursfield or McGuane with a little extra muscle & experience will take Gas's spot soon enough. Time will tell which of these two will have what it takes. 8)
 
Sam Robertson form Coburg ;)

193cm great skills on both sides of his body. Sam has been a star for Coburg and I hope Miller is taking notes.
 
why do we keep rookying average skinny midgets then? I'm going to check the Coburg board
 
Disco08 said:
Crazy Costanza said:
Buddy...I have not bagged him. Learn to read. Show me where I have stuck the boot into Thursfield and I will retire from this forum right away. All I'm saying is he is not big enough to play full back.

Given Thursfield has played on guys like Riewoldt and Lucas as a 19yo in the past, is the same height as Craig Bolton who regularly plays fullback for the Swans (and will easily achieve the same weight) and is mentioned on the club website as a possible 'key defender', I'd say both Will and the club's coaches have at least some (if not alot) of hope that he can play fullback in the future.

With all that said, this sentence would have to be deemed pretty close to sticking the boot in wouldn't it?

Crazy Costanza said:
Don't get me wrong....I hope Thursfield makes a strong recovery but he is not, nor will he ever be a Full Back.

thurstfield is all about endurance on the chf's of the comp, will get killed by a big man with pace, the sooner people realise the better

we need to draft a fullback because i dont see many other options
 
Crazy Costanza said:
Got smashed by Darcy 3 goals until gaspar went on him!!

Great pick up. Darcy was all over McGuane in the 1st quarter. His size was way too big for Luke. This simply justifies my point on Thursfield, who is even lighter than Luke McGuane. If a player like Darcy is having his way with Mcguane, (who by the way is coming back from 2 reco's), what would he have done to Thursfield?

You need big bodied full backs to play the position and we don't have anybody on tyhe list. Simply saying "delist Moore" is a knee jerk reaction.

No body has yet come up with a suitable answer to my question?

If Gas retires and Moore is delisted, who will play on the power forwards?

Well, we have this guy called Polak......could be even better than Moore given the right opportunity. ::)
 
Tigers of Old said:
CC TIGER said:
the thing I like most is his closing speed an ability to get a fist on the ball

I think this is a FBs greatest strength, particularly with the new hands in the back rule and the move away from contested marking with the introduction of the heavy & precise possession game.

That I can see, there is little reward for FBs in the modern game who purely wrestle body to body with the gorillas. FBs the likes of Mick Martyn are dinosaurs in the modern game. The position has become so much more than the ability to purely negate. They must also create.

Whilst some size & muscle is important, a successful FBs wits and athleticism is far more important in beating their opponent.
Silvagni, the full back of the century, was a relative stick when he played on the likes of Lockett and Dunstall. He rarely played the wrestling game and his success with that approach speaks for it's self.
Even Darren Gaspar, no man mountain, successfully relied on his speed and smarts at his best, more so than strength and muscle. From my perspective it's not ever been Gaspar's ability hold an opponent that's been under question, it's his weaknesses in other areas.

For this reason I have hopes that one of Thursfield or McGuane with a little extra muscle & experience will take Gas's spot soon enough. Time will tell which of these two will have what it takes. 8)

Ahhh some sense at last! Instead of ranting and generalizations re our supporter base.
 
Crazy Costanza said:
Geez Nick Reiwodt must be slow

I swear, I have never seen anybody pumped up more in the history of the AFL after 3/4 of a game of football. The way some of you talk about Thursfield, its as if he is the second coming of christ.

Yes he is hopefully going to be a good player for the club, but some of you think he will be the impenetrable defender we have lacked. Reading some of the comments about a 7 game player would have you believe is is Silvagni re-incarnated.

Reality check to all Richmond supporters - Don't rate Thursfield on one performance against Reiwoldt. When he does eventually come back, I wonder if he will be talked about in such tones if he gets beaten by a Josh Kennedy in the future.

I agree it's amazing how so many have penciled him as a certainty to fill a position down back. On the face of it the future prospects of a 7 game veteran promoted off the rookie list coming back from a shocking knee reconstruction should be treated with caution. It'll be interesting to see upon his return if his stocks among his fans decline as precipitously as they rose if he puts in 7 shockers or average performances.
 
It just shows that there needs to be more focus on a bigger bodied backman next draft. Brian Harris type.
 
Tygrys said:
Crazy Costanza said:
Geez Nick Reiwodt must be slow

I swear, I have never seen anybody pumped up more in the history of the AFL after 3/4 of a game of football. The way some of you talk about Thursfield, its as if he is the second coming of christ.

Yes he is hopefully going to be a good player for the club, but some of you think he will be the impenetrable defender we have lacked. Reading some of the comments about a 7 game player would have you believe is is Silvagni re-incarnated.

Reality check to all Richmond supporters - Don't rate Thursfield on one performance against Reiwoldt. When he does eventually come back, I wonder if he will be talked about in such tones if he gets beaten by a Josh Kennedy in the future.

I agree it's amazing how so many have penciled him as a certainty to fill a position down back. On the face of it the future prospects of a 7 game veteran promoted off the rookie list coming back from a shocking knee reconstruction should be treated with caution. It'll be interesting to see upon his return if his stocks among his fans decline as precipitously as they rose if he puts in 7 shockers or average performances.

Wow... what a bizarre thread, with even more bizarre comments by some. Surely there are better things to talk about, rather than picking apart an RFC player who is coming back from a long-term injury.

Just remember folks... to assume makes an ass out of u and me, so why don't we wait and actually see how he is before putting the boots into his future prospects?
 
K3 said:
Tygrys said:
Crazy Costanza said:
Geez Nick Reiwodt must be slow

I swear, I have never seen anybody pumped up more in the history of the AFL after 3/4 of a game of football. The way some of you talk about Thursfield, its as if he is the second coming of christ.

Yes he is hopefully going to be a good player for the club, but some of you think he will be the impenetrable defender we have lacked. Reading some of the comments about a 7 game player would have you believe is is Silvagni re-incarnated.

Reality check to all Richmond supporters - Don't rate Thursfield on one performance against Reiwoldt. When he does eventually come back, I wonder if he will be talked about in such tones if he gets beaten by a Josh Kennedy in the future.

I agree it's amazing how so many have penciled him as a certainty to fill a position down back. On the face of it the future prospects of a 7 game veteran promoted off the rookie list coming back from a shocking knee reconstruction should be treated with caution. It'll be interesting to see upon his return if his stocks among his fans decline as precipitously as they rose if he puts in 7 shockers or average performances.

Wow... what a bizarre thread, with even more bizarre comments by some. Surely there are better things to talk about, rather than picking apart an RFC player who is coming back from a long-term injury.

Just remember folks... to assume makes an ass out of u and me, so why don't we wait and actually see how he is before putting the boots into his future prospects?

Totally agree bit tough to bag a bloke thats injured put Kent Kingsley into this bracket as well hasn't played a game for us yet & people are sticking the boots in Polak now playing good footy what and see & after he plays a few games & doesn't improve then lay into him.
 
no ones bagging thurstfield he just wont play fullback that is all

chb is locked in when he comes back

kingsley is a hack
 
justice said:
no ones bagging thurstfield he just wont play fullback that is all

chb is locked in when he comes back

kingsley is a hack
Polak will play CHB & if Kingsley could kick us 40 goals as a 3rd option would be good value.
 
Any third option that kicks 40 goals would be great. How many are we looking for from the first two?
 
I personally can't see why given time Thursfield can't become a good full back. Wil's listed at 191cm which I initially viewed as a little on the short side until I noticed that Darren Glass and Ben Rutten are both listed at 192cm. These two guys certainly have little trouble handling the bigger forwards!

Naturally having just turned 21, Thursfield's something of a lightweight compared to these other guys who are approaching 26 and 24 respectively, but he appears to have a build which should be able to put on a reasonable amount of bulk. In a few years I would think that Wil could gain enough weight to be around Glass's 95 kgs (4kgs per preseason is not an unrealistic expectation).

Having said that, Luke McGuane has similar dimensions to Thursfield and could conceivably do the same thing which would give us two options for full back in another few years. Unfortunately, at the moment we have nobody (apart from Joel Bowden) in the more senior group who could be expected to do the job any better than Gaspar without upsetting the balance of the team and playing blokes away from their best positions.

This leaves us with something of a dilemma over the next couple of years until either Thursfield, McGuane, or both, are ready for the job. Assuming Gas will retire at the end of this year, who will we have to play full back on the big forwards? J. Bowden seems the obvious choice, but that restricts his ability to create and counter attack. This problem highlights a very real problem with past recruiting, but criticising said recruiting will do nothing to solve the problem.

In the meantime, the question is do we bring in a guy who might be a little on the outer at his current club (normally for a reason)? Try to trade for a bigger body who's seeing limited opportunities at his current club (perhaps someone like Spencer from Geelong) just to have someone who can compete? Or do we stick with Bowden at FB, Polak at CHB, with McGuane and Thursfield playing on the lesser talls, and wait for them to develop while at the same time drafting in a balanced manner to ensure we no longer have to face these types of problems? Obviously we'd hope to draft this way regardless of the route chosen.

There doesn't seem to be any glaringly obvious answer to any of these questions. I hope both Thursfield and McGuane can develop to the point where our defence is a strength rather than a weakness, but it's obvious at the moment that we have serious problems when our only available option to play primarily as a full back sits at the top, or near top, of so many supporters "To Delist" list.
 
King of the Jungle said:
justice said:
no ones bagging thurstfield he just wont play fullback that is all

chb is locked in when he comes back

kingsley is a hack
Polak will play CHB & if Kingsley could kick us 40 goals as a 3rd option would be good value.

i dont care about kingsley kicking 40

give me cleve and jack split at 20 anyday