GAME DAY - PF The Real Mccoy( Tigers ) vs The Copycats (Pies)

[TigerForce]

From when it was 10 goals to 1 until 10 minutes into the last quarter we actually had the better of the game and scored 6 goals to 2 in that period.

The issue was that even though we had lots of opportunity during that time we weren’t fluent and we relied a lot on jack to score. There is no doubt in my mind the club knows the one key forward style was never going to last, hence the pursuit of Lynch.

From 9 goals behind we were never going to win but we also didn’t make the most of our opportunities when we were well in the game in general play. I reckon that has been an issue all year, we don’t convert on field dominance to scoring well enough and we have got away with it simply because of the weight of forward 50 entries

Still coasting when just 21 points behind clearly showed our team was shot. We played our GF against Hawks in the SF and just went through the motions last night. One good thing for 2019 is that this media pressure and ego/cockiness in the players is now over and out.

 

[Baloo]

Now I know what it feels like to watch your team get taken apart buy a team that just doesn't give you a chance to do anything. This is how we've made many teams feel like over the last 18 months.

No wonder they people don't give us credit. It feels more like we didn't play rather than accepting the opposition didn't give us the opportunity to play

 

[tigerlove]

What stat would support it?

Don't know, you're making the statement, what do you have to back it up?

 

[tigerlove]

To be fair to Nahas - He was an ordinary kick on his right as well. So may have in fact been the most "both sided" player in the team at the time.

Haha never looked at it that way, but he really could not kick on his left full stop. I remember him once 10 metres out from goal and trying to miraculously contort his body to kick it with the outside of his right boot when he could have dribbled it through on his left.

 

[123cups]

Now I know what it feels like to watch your team get taken apart buy a team that just doesn't give you a chance to do anything. This is how we've made many teams feel like over the last 18 months.

No wonder they people don't give us credit. It feels more like we didn't play rather than accepting the opposition didn't give us the opportunity to play

Very good comment.

I guess that's the art of subtraction. Take away your opponent's strengths and just play.

 

[Ridley]

We looked like a team that had played 1 game in 3 weeks.

This bye before the finals is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Wasn't an issue for us last year. Exact same preparation as this year. We're just not as good this year.

 

[tigertim]

Don't know, you're making the statement, what do you have to back it up?

It’s my observation, don’t think there’s a stat to back it up. Not sure why you’re getting all tooly about an insignificant comment....

 

[Baloo]

Wasn't an issue for us last year. Exact same preparation as this year. We're just not as good this year.

Difference is simple. No matter what the club were trying to portray, this year we were the hunted. Last year we were the hunters.

 

[mrposhman]

From when it was 10 goals to 1 until 10 minutes into the last quarter we actually had the better of the game and scored 6 goals to 2 in that period.

The issue was that even though we had lots of opportunity during that time we weren’t fluent and we relied a lot on jack to score. There is no doubt in my mind the club knows the one key forward style was never going to last, hence the pursuit of Lynch.

From 9 goals behind we were never going to win but we also didn’t make the most of our opportunities when we were well in the game in general play. I reckon that has been an issue all year, we don’t convert on field dominance to scoring well enough and we have got away with it simply because of the weight of forward 50 entries

Agree. Felt we were the better team from probably hallway through the 2nd quarter up until Treloar kicked that goal in the last and it just seemed all the life was then sucked out of us. If we'd grabbed any extra goal in that dominant spell at the end of the 2nd and won the 3rd by probably the 4 goals we deserved to (if our ball use going forward was better). its bloody hard to win though when you give a start like we gave them. 9 goal lead before half times are very very rarely caught and whilst we busted our asses to get there, it was very easy for them to surrender a couple of goals and then hit back.

There will be some changes over the off season and we need to revisit our gameplan and tweak it (not throw it out).

I get the 2nd ruck issue but whats the solution, its a hard one. Nank is a 1st ruck, he isn't that great forward, so we need a forward / ruck. Whether we play Lynch there I'm not sure, but 2 pure rucks will not work so all this talk about state rucks / Preuss etc is knee jerk.

 

[Ridley]

Great time for the vast majority of our players to have their worst games for the season. IMO only Riewoldt can hold his head high; he was outstanding in a forward line where none of his mates gave a yelp. People say Cotchin played well. I guess he was okay but he butchered the ball badly. Maybe Grimes was okay as well but I saw some completely uncharacteristic efforts from him where he really panicked; one where he kicked the ball off the ground under little pressure was a bad look. Higgins was not too bad I guess; a couple of goals in a PF is a good return for a rookie.

The rest of the team were really poor. We were never in the game after the first 20 minutes. Collingwood completely outplayed us in every facet of the game. They were tougher at the ball, ran harder, ran faster. They had more numbers at every contest. They won the ball in the air, they won it on the ground. This was an absolute smashing. Even when we got to within 21 points in the last quarter it was false hope; we had no chance.

Our blokes played scared. Tried to tap and knock the ball on rather than take possession. Tried to kick it off the ground all night rather than putting the head over the ball. Our tackling was pathetic. Collingwood players just stood up in tackles and dished it off all night.

An extremely disappointing end to a pretty good season. But we are still in the window. We need some serious tweaks to the game plan and some additions to the playing stock but if we do them we will be up there again next year.

 

[Tigermad2005]

The ball just did not bounce our way last night play the game again today and we win.

 

[tigerlove]

Wasn't an issue for us last year. Exact same preparation as this year. We're just not as good this year.

I think the difference is last year we had to fight every game till the end to make the top 4. This year we cruised along prior to the two week breaks in the final series. In hindsight too long a period of less intense pressure footy played over in effect a 6 week period. It's a hard one because you sub-concsiously go into a bit of protection mode when you can't lose your position on the ladder. I don't think we were as primed as last year and we certainly no longer had the surprise factor.

 

[tigerlove]

It’s my observation, don’t think there’s a stat to back it up. Not sure why you’re getting all tooly about an insignificant comment....

I'm not tooly at all, just wanted to know what you had to back it up. Now I know, an observation which frankly would be difficult to put a lot of weight on. There are a lot of footballers out there who prefer both left and right.

 

[tigerlove]

That simple dropped chest mark in the last by Lambert was a killer. 21 points behind, either a shot at goal or in-board and who knows where it could have gone from there. Don't like to pick moments but that was certainly potentially very costly. That fumble though just represented our night really, it was like it just wasn't meant to be.

 

[seven]

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Martin, Prestia, McIntosh, Lambert, Graham in the 10 least influential players on the ground.

Adams with season best game, Crisp and Cox with career best games.

Yep, we paid no respect to Collingwood going in.
Reckon we were too arrogant, too busy with our own style.
Opposition had a plan the done what they planned out to do.
Got destroyed.

 

[Ridley]

That simple dropped chest mark in the last by Lambert was a killer. 21 points behind, either a shot at goal or in-board and who knows where it could have gone from there. Don't like to pick moments but that was certainly potentially very costly. That fumble though just represented our night really, it was like it just wasn't meant to be.

Lambert was hopeless last night. Fumbled everything. Just about the worst game he's ever played.

 

[zippadeee]

Lambert was hopeless last night. Fumbled everything. Just about the worst game he's ever played.

His slip in the wing, then turn over in the first 5 minutes Where Varcoe goaled was pretty ordinary.
Prestia and him both had the Crosbys on

 

[frickenel]

When we're on, we out number at the ball, and it's extremely noticeable. Not only at the ball, but around the stoppage. Ball comes out, it tends to come out to us. If we stuff something up, we have another number there to mop it up.

None of this was evident last night and the ball entered teir forward 50 with such ease tat a spud like Cox looked like he was playing against an under 12's side.

So why??

I don't think the extended period has done us any good. Bearing in mind it was stretched for us by playing on the Thursday night against the dorks.

Here's a stat the AFL has to look at.

From 2000 to 2015, teams winning the Qualifying Final have gone on to win the Prelim 28 of 32 times. The under dog won on just 12.5% of occasions.

Sine the pre finals bye, 2016 - 2018 the result is 3 from 6.

The under dog has gone from 12.5% which is what you'd expect of a lower team coming up to challenge the heavy weights, to breaking even at 50%.

Looking more closely at the 3 times that the team having extended time off have won, all have been on home decks with massive home ground advantages.

As for Melbourne today, as soon as the weather forecast was mid to high 20's, they were sure to be shot. It's a wonder they didn't write to the AFL Platers association to cancel the game.

I'm watching the game now, and Melbourne players are jogging through the middle instead of getting back to fill space as WC surge forward.

Those stats assume WCE go on to win today. Pretty safe bet i assume.

 

[TigerForce]

As for Melbourne today, as soon as the weather forecast was mid to high 20's, they were sure to be shot. It's a wonder they didn't write to the AFL Platers association to cancel the game.

I'm watching the game now, and Melbourne players are jogging through the middle instead of getting back to fill space as WC surge forward.

Those stats assume WCE go on to win today. Pretty safe bet i assume.

Forecast still looks like a cold and wet GF. Let's hope WC play well.

 

[tigers80]

I work with an Essendon players mother.
Her husband played for the pies.

First thing she said this morning, those pies are on the gear again just like 2010