Game Day - Round 21 versus Carlton

22nd Man

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Wow - cud not watch the game but reading on here i wud think we only won by a point or two and all players had crap games. Hell we eat our own far too often. How many wins in a row now and still not happy.....
I don't get that impression.
 
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Harry

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Bit of a strange game. We absolutely dominated the first half but once again our dominance was not truly reflected on the scoreboard. A 5 goal half time margin should have been at least 8. That said it was very wet and there is no doubt that had some impact on the margin.

The second half was just average. Carlton ramped up the pressure and they are greatly improved team. But we didn't help our cause by overusing the ball in the wet conditions. We turned it over more than usual and gave Carlton more opportunities than we would have liked. The conditions were difficult but we usually handle them better than we did in the 2nd half.

But a 5 goal win in those conditions, against reasonable opposition, when you don't play near your best is a fair result. I think we've got plenty left in us and so does Dimma. We'll find out against the Eagles this week; I think we'll be primed for this one.
We dominate when it's wet but struggle a bit when the rain stops. Bit concerning
 

Ian4

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one thing i observed yesterday was that Carlton played a man behind the contest in a bit of a Sokkah-style sweeper role to counter our knocking forward and handball forward. and they had some success with it.
 
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Harry

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Thought Lynch and Jack were poor and beaten by jones and wetering
 
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silvertiger

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Agreed, and this was clear from watching on TV, too. As soon as the ball hits the deck, he plays as a mid and can put some weight and force into his tackles.

Both he and Nank are good below the knees, and that's gold.

It's clear that Chol is working hard to implement what's being drummed into him during the week – staying in the contest, second and third efforts, get to the next contest.

Let me put it this way, he can do things in the wet Paddy Guinane could only dream of.
Agree with this. I really noticed his 6 tackles. Put some venom in them.Give him another another week.
 

mrposhman

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Thought Lynch and Jack were poor and beaten by jones and wetering
It was because they were holding them at EVERY opportunity. There was one instance where the ball went over Jones and Jacks heads, Jack tries to run onto it, Jones pulls him back by the shirt then grabs him over the shoulder to pull him back more, Jack trips over, Jones gets the ball and clears it (this was on the Great Southern Stand wing). Umpires with their blindfolds on "I see nothing".

Just one instance but numerous throughout the game.

Very hard for them to get involved enough when they have defenders hanging off of them like that all game, when will the AFL will realise that a free kick or 2 and they will stop. Weitering eased off a bit (Lynch for 4 frees), Jack got none so Jones kept doing it over and over and never a whistle.
 
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bairdy380

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Thought Lynch and Jack were poor and beaten by jones and wetering
I thought they were scragged and held quite illegally... but well done to blues backs for getting away with it. They were well under lynches skin and in his head
 

Brodders17

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Despite the relatively close scoreline it was a comfortable win.
In terms of the blues improvement, their 1st goal was from a horrid kick in from Vlastuin. They scored 2 from 50mt penalties, another from a terrible free against Astbury, a snap from the boundary to Murphy, and 1 contested mark to McGovern. Not 1 of their goals was from good play, or good ball movement. The only thing stopping it being a thrashing was some poor kicking from us.
 
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rensman

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Despite the relatively close scoreline it was a comfortable win.
In terms of the blues improvement, their 1st goal was from a horrid kick in from Vlastuin. They scored 2 from 50mt penalties, another from a terrible free against Astbury, a snap from the boundary to Murphy, and 1 contested mark to McGovern. Not 1 of their goals was from good play, or good ball movement. The only thing stopping it being a thrashing was some poor kicking from us.
Great post. Adds good perspective to the win. Outstanding team and individual defence all day
 

French Tiger

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Was good to have Nank back in the team. Thought he moved pretty well & will be better for the run.
 

TigerForce

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I thought it was opposite yesterday. We seemed to struggle to handle the wet pill whereas Carlton were taking it more cleanly.
Agree. If it didn't keep pouring we would've controlled the game better and smashed them.
 

Jason King

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Very hard for them to get involved enough when they have defenders hanging off of them like that all game, when will the AFL will realise that a free kick or 2 and they will stop. Weitering eased off a bit (Lynch for 4 frees), Jack got none so Jones kept doing it over and over and never a whistle.
Did we get any more than a couple of clean entries either? Carlton had our number at the stoppages and contested situations. Applied pressure well against us I thought.
 

tigerlove

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4 of Carlton's top 5 ball winners, all with 29 disposals or more had no better than 58% disposal efficiency:

- Cripps 54%, Curnow 53%, Simpson 48%, Murphy 58%.

Best 3 Tiges with 25 disposals or more were

- Prestia 63%, Edwards 74%, Lambert 80%

Even Ross 62% Bolton 64% Graham 73% were better. Quite simply we played the pressure game to perfection which causes rushed disposals. That can only happen if all players are in on the mantra so as a whole we played to our game plan to perfection and if we do that we are always very hard to beat no matter who we play. So yes whilst guys like Stack, Rioli, Chol and even Reiwoltd had quieter games, they did very well from a pressure act point of view and I am sure that's how the MC are judging the performance. Not every player has to be amassing disposals and hitting every target or kicking goals. We're humming at the moment. Dusty and Cotchin back. Bring on the Eagles.

Edit: Everyone seems to be talking about Carlton's bright future but their team was older than ours and 3 of their top 5 disposal winners are over 32 years of age and one other is 29yo and their 3 current rucks are 30,30 and 28.
 
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tigerlove

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Did we get any more than a couple of clean entries either? Carlton had our number at the stoppages and contested situations. Applied pressure well against us I thought.
We had more clearances 42 to 40. Carlton had more contested possesions - but we are 2nd last in contested possessions compared to opposition, it's not our game style (interestingly Eagles are 4th last). We had 59 inside 50s to 43. Clearly we were a far more efficient team with the ball.
 

spook

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Coaches votes:
9 Dion Prestia (RICH)
8 Jack Graham (RICH)
6 Shane Edwards (RICH)
4 Nick Vlastuin (RICH)
3 Liam Jones (CARL)
 

aoc1974

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4 of Carlton's top 5 ball winners, all with 29 disposals or more had no better than 58% disposal efficiency:

- Cripps 54%, Curnow 53%, Simpson 48%, Murphy 58%.

Best 3 Tiges with 25 disposals or more were

- Prestia 63%, Edwards 74%, Lambert 80%

Even Ross 62% Bolton 64% Graham 73% were better. Quite simply we played the pressure game to perfection which causes rushed disposals. That can only happen if all players are in on the mantra so as a whole we played to our game plan to perfection and if we do that we are always very hard to beat no matter who we play. So yes whilst guys like Stack, Rioli, Chol and even Reiwoltd had quieter games, they did very well from a pressure act point of view and I am sure that's how the MC are judging the performance. Not every player has to be amassing disposals and hitting every target or kicking goals. We're humming at the moment. Dusty and Cotchin back. Bring on the Eagles.

Edit: Everyone seems to be talking about Carlton's bright future but their team was older than ours and 3 of their top 5 disposal winners are over 32 years of age and one other is 29yo and their 3 current rucks are 30,30 and 28.
Really good point. .... half the problem with all them stats and the......
A: wankers who put em together and
B: wankers who believe em, is......
Some of the so called experts look straight at the biggest number and go..... BOG.
Does my head in when you see the voting by journos who reckon they have a clue!

(Please note I'm not calling us experts on PRE wankers...... only the ones I've ignored :cool:)
 
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AFLCA season

Player
Rank
Votes
Polled
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
Gms
Career
Age
Prestia, Dion
eq 14th​
60​
10​
2​
1​
2​
1​
1​
1​
1​
1​
20​
150​
26y303d​
Martin, Dustin
17th​
57​
9​
1​
2​
3​
1​
1​
1​
18​
219​
28y 46d​
Edwards, Shane
40th​
37​
6​
3​
2​
1​
19​
250​
30y290d​
Lynch, Tom J.
eq 48th​
34​
5​
1​
1​
2​
1​
20​
151​
26y284d​
Houli, Bachar
eq 57th​
31​
6​
1​
1​
1​
2​
1​
17​
202​
31y 91d​
Lambert, Kane
eq 65th​
29​
4​
1​
1​
1​
1​
16​
90​
27y258d​
Grimes, Dylan
eq 71st​
27​
7​
1​
1​
3​
2​
19​
146​
28y 26d​
Cotchin, Trent​
eq 118th​
15​
2​
1​
1​
10​
230​
29y126d​
Vlastuin, Nick
eq 118th​
3​
1​
1​
1​
19​
136​
25y114d​
Bolton, Shai
eq 132nd​
13​
3​
1​
1​
1​
14​
23​
20y246d​
Ellis, Brandon
eq 132nd​
5​
1​
2​
1​
1​
18​
171​
26y 8d​
Stack, Sydney
eq 144th​
11​
3​
1​
2​
17​
17​
19y105d​
Nankervis, Toby
eq 156th​
9​
3​
1​
1​
1​
9​
68​
24y364d​
Graham, Jack
eq 175th​
8​
1​
1​
12​
35​
21y167d​
Castagna, Jason
eq 188th​
7​
1​
1​
19​
71​
23y 30d​
Astbury, David
eq 217th​
5​
2​
1​
1​
17​
124​
28y166d​
Chol, Mabior
eq 217th​
1​
1​
8​
9​
22y194d​
McIntosh, Kamdyn
eq 217th​
3​
2​
1​
16​
90​
25y130d​
Baker, Liam
eq 299th​
1​
1​
1​
14​
17​
21y196d​