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GAME DAY SEMI THREAD - Tiger vs Saints

seven

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I think he kicked just as they blew the whistle. I suspect if it had been us kicking the goal they would have said the siren beat the kick.

I don't get that. If they think a finger nail or boot lace may have gotten 6 inches close to the ball, they look at it for 5 minutes.
Why can't they do thee same for the buzzer?
 
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Baloo

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Goal review for whether it was kicked before or after siren will never happen. If it goes against the umpires call then it says the umpire made a mistake.

Umpires don't make mistakes.
 
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DavidSSS

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As I said, it ain't the siren which ends the quarter, it is the umpire.

Can't see them making this subject to the ARC, it ain't a great system and you wonder a bit about synching the sound when they do a slow motion replay. Leave it as is, the umpire calls the end of the quarter.

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leon

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No, he clearly kicked the ball before the siren went. Was in midair as it sounded. There was an issue with it going after the clock expired though.
Agreed; my only problem was just how long it took for the siren to go after the TV clock expired. Really odd.
 

tigermike

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Yeah and they couldn't stop talking about Pendlebury breaking Buckley's captaincy record. Granted he also broke Tony Shaw's games record in the same game but still. How many flags has Pendlebury captained? Please remind me.

But no media bias against Richmond.......................
Three possible reasons....1. Pendles plays for the maggies so Eddie promotes them big time, 2. media regard Pendles as their scrupulously fair pin-up boy so they promote him at every opportunity, 3. Cotch plays it rough and tough which they don't like, not a good example to the youngsters, so they can't applaud someone who plays like that! I know who I'd like to have in my team and he's in it already. AFL is a man's game so I wish they'd keep that in mind.
 
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The Big Richo

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I don't get that. If they think a finger nail or boot lace may have gotten 6 inches close to the ball, they look at it for 5 minutes.
Why can't they do thee same for the buzzer?

Because looking at it doesn't make any difference. The rule is when the umpire hears the siren so when they hear it is has gone. It might be 10 seconds after it actually goes but that's still correct. Loophole in the rules that needs to be closed.

I asked around today and found out some interesting things. Two people are monitoring the time clock, and in the final seconds of the quarter one concentrates on the clock while the other is the eyes on the field for any time on calls, so the person pushing the siren isn't watching the play when they do it. They also have a secondary clock which they often use to adjust time if required so the TV clock isn't always accurate.

I also found out a quarter doesn't go for 20 minutes (or 16). It actually goes for that time, then the timer goes to zero, then the timekeeper hits the siren, so it always goes a second or two longer.
 
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tigermike

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Good to win and great to be in a 4th PF in a row. But geez we do it hard. That was not a convincing win by any stretch. So much fumbling and slipping over. I get the conditions but it seemed to affect us more than the Saints.

It was a strange game. Our pressure ratings were well off. We were below average or poor for the first 3 quarters. The only saving grace was that Saints were worse. We ramped it up to elite rating in last quarter and left them behind. We also did well in clearances and scored a lot of goals from that. We normally score goals from turnover but hardly did that tonight.

The pressure will be ramped right up next week. We will need to lift by levels; we play like we did tonight and we will get destroyed. If we play our best we will win; we can beat them even though it is a tough task in Adelaide. I'm just not sure we are going well enough to play at our best. No matter what the stats said there is no way we were playing as well this year as we did at the end of 2019. Not even that close really.

But is a different year so let's see what happens next week. Very proud that they are in another PF so let's "raise the fight" :))
Playing at AO next week will really suit us. We get a break from the Qld humidity and greasy conditions and we have 7 changes that really strengthen our side that was a point ahead of Port at 3/4 time. I reckon we'll get it done and probably play the Cats in a classic GF.
 
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Dyer'ere

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I don't get that. If they think a finger nail or boot lace may have gotten 6 inches close to the ball, they look at it for 5 minutes.
Why can't they do thee same for the buzzer?
Check the countdown, 7. The buzzer was cued 1 second late according to our clocks.

Watch the countdown and the siren come in one second late.

The siren was late. Not the umpire.
 
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seven

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Check the countdown, 7. The buzzer was cued 1 second late according to our clocks.

Watch the countdown and the siren come in one second late.

The siren was late. Not the umpire.
Yep. Had time to watch it again, sober.
 
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DragaTheCro

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Agreed; my only problem was just how long it took for the siren to go after the TV clock expired. Really odd.
Exactly. There was a 4 second gap from when the time ran out to when the siren went. There’s still been no explanation for this.
 
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TigerFlag2017

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When I watched the game on Friday my initial thoughts were that we were scratchy and will have real trouble with Port.

After watching the replay and giving it some further thought I think we're right in it.
Our defence is very solid and having Broad back in gives us more options (as well as his hardness).
I'd give DTLD the job on Dixon and release Balta to relief ruck. His mobility is a real asset.
Lynch back in crashing packs, and won't kick as badly next week. Conditions will be better.
Our mids are miles better than what we dished up against Port last time. Prestia hitting his straps nicely.
Last time we flew in on the day! Probably contributed to our last quarter. This time we're going the day before.
We gave away silly 50m frees against Port. We were sucked in against the Lions. Much better against the Saints. Port will try and get under our skin again but Dimma will be in their ear again this week.

Bring the heat and we are a massive chance.
The improvement in our contested possession stats will be the key difference with the last game.

I was surprised by our sloppy skills against St Kilda. Possibly it was the humidity. But we need to much cleaner this week if any chance to win.

Will be a cracking game.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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8 Martin
5 Houli, Lynch
4 Bolton, Edwards
3 Wilkie
1 Nankervis

Unusual breakdown which could've been achieved any number of ways and indicates some disparity. One possibility:

Hardwick - Ratten
5 Lynch - Martin
4 Houli - Bolton
3 Martin - Wilkie
2 Edwards - Edwards
1 Nankervis - Houli


PlayerVotesGmsCareerAgeCaCoHaStMeSyNMGWSWBBrPAGCEsWCFrGeAdBrSt
Martin, Dustin501824229y105d47107958
Bolton, Shai36174521y306d6428934
Cotchin, Trent261524930y185d41399
Balta, Noah23152820y352d64193
Vlastuin, Nick211815926y173d3323433
Lambert, Kane201811328y318d10532
Short, Jayden18199024y259d414126
Grimes, Dylan161816929y85d619
Houli, Bachar151121832y150d825
Graham, Jack14145322y227d35231
Edwards, Shane13826331y350d94
Baker, Liam11184022y256d92
Riewoldt, Jack101928131y344d19
Lynch, Tom J.91717327y344d135
Prestia, Dion9716227y363d9
Eggmolesse-Smith, Derek86822y96d8
Nankervis, Toby898026y58d521
Higgins, Jack6104321y167d6
McIntosh, Kamdyn61610626y189d24
Pickett, Marlion6171828y277d51
Rioli, Daniel4169323y176d4
1712062317291124280152525162826027
 
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The Big Richo

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Exactly. There was a 4 second gap from when the time ran out to when the siren went. There’s still been no explanation for this.
If you read back only a few posts TBR gives a great explanation.

I'll expand a bit.

What I found out is the timekeepers use a second clock in case of errors. For example there's time when the player's movement is the cue for the time clock to start (eg a kick-in) so the player might go but then the umpire blows the whistle and calls them back because of the position on the mark or the other footy is on the ground or whatever so the clock has ticked a couple of false seconds.

When that happens they don't add the time back on to the main clock (the TV one) but keep a second clock which they 'add' the missed time back on at the next opportunity, which is a stoppage.

So if there was an instance of that and the siren came before a chance to add it back on, they would let the siren go for those extra seconds. A very rare circumstance but quite possible.
 
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Quickdraw

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I'll expand a bit.

What I found out is the timekeepers use a second clock in case of errors. For example there's time when the player's movement is the cue for the time clock to start (eg a kick-in) so the player might go but then the umpire blows the whistle and calls them back because of the position on the mark or the other footy is on the ground or whatever so the clock has ticked a couple of false seconds.

When that happens they don't add the time back on to the main clock (the TV one) but keep a second clock which they 'add' the missed time back on at the next opportunity, which is a stoppage.

So if there was an instance of that and the siren came before a chance to add it back on, they would let the siren go for those extra seconds. A very rare circumstance but quite possible.
Thanks TBR. That's made things clearer.

Personally I was ok with the goal at the time, just disappointed that we let one in so late.