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Game Day Thread - Sydney Swans v Richmond

monteath said:
Highlight in a loss was Dimma sending Cotchin back on to the ground after the game to practise kicking for goal from 20 metres.

Should of sent Farmer out. Towards the end of the game Farmer took a mark near the bench and Dimma yelled at him "goalface" and he acknowleded. He then kicked it out on the full. He didn't turn around either, lucky should have seen the look on Dimmas face ;)
 
havent seen the game yet.
did anyone tag bolton? he didnt get anywhere near as much of the ball as usual.
 
Big Cat Lover said:
Reckon you over rate them. Long way fom the better sides, will get pantsed in Melb in the finals. Can't play that brand of footy at the G and win in 2011.

They are not as good as the GF days, but they play more consistent and better team footy than Carlton, Freo, Essendon, and west coast. As mentioned before, I have them as a top six contender.
 
KiwiTig said:
Should of sent Farmer out. Towards the end of the game Farmer took a mark near the bench and Dimma yelled at him "goalface" and he acknowleded. He then kicked it out on the full. He didn't turn around either, lucky should have seen the look on Dimmas face ;)

To be fair, the wind got hold of that something severe.
 
Big Cat Lover said:
Reckon you over rate them. Long way fom the better sides, will get pantsed in Melb in the finals. Can't play that brand of footy at the G and win in 2011.

I agree. I reckon they are a fair way behind the top 4. The bottom half of the 8 does/will have some average sides in it, of which the Swans will be one. Better than us sure, but that isn't saying much.
 
Punxsutawney Phil said:
I agree. I reckon they are a fair way behind the top 4. The bottom half of the 8 does/will have some average sides in it, of which the Swans will be one. Better than us sure, but that isn't saying much.
How good are those Bombers?
 
Tigers of Old said:
How good are those Bombers?

Leave me Alone Tooheys! :hihi

Unfortunately even though they have been terrible the past few weeks we haven't made up any ground on them.
 
Punxsutawney Phil said:
Leave me alone Tooheys! :hihi

Unfortunately even though they have been terrible the past few weeks we haven't made up any ground on them.
;)
I reckon we have actually Fudd.
There were no expectations of us and at least we're delivering. ;D
 
jackfrost said:
Fair enough Baloo......... though I'm no where near the darksider I was 4 years ago mate it must be said......... so that means some progress has been achieved at least. ;)

But when I see posts that in relation to certain players are telling me "this kid can play, just needs time", shouldn't I take that to believe then, that that person thinks they'll be a part of a hopefully resurgent team in the next 3 or 4 years ?

How much time do these kids need to show they either have it or not if they are going to be apart of the "competing for premierships Richmond team ?.......surely the club has learnt from the past with such players as Tumbling, JON, Hughes about keeping players far to long, throw in the likes of the more senior types like Bowden, Brown, Pettifer, Coghlan and Raines, all were given way to much time to show they could still contribute at the AFL level also.

I just don't see as Ive already stated, anymore than a 12 or so still on this teams roster by the years '14/'15 and us being that competitive unit we are all hopeful of seeing.
Lets also remember the intangibiles such as injury and other unforeseeable happenings, those no one can control.

Thats not to say that during the next few years the players we have here now can't play an important role in this clubs future, ofcourse they can, but I just see it as a limited role rather than a longterm one for more than half of them, I may very well be wrong in my assessment of a few as far as who makes it and who doesn't , but it will be interesting to watch how it all unfolds in that time.

You write some good stuff at times, but like so many people you too seem to think we are going to have a star studded list when we finally start competing in September. It simply doesn't work that way.

A couple of names - Leigh Brown and Martin Pike.

Leigh Brown was widely considered the dud to end all duds (just ahead of Kent Kingsley) - has a premiership medal now and frankly, playing pretty good football in a disciplined team - a solid contributer without being star.

An old chestnot of mine - Martin Pike. How many clubs did he shift between? 4? How many premiership medals, was it four? Was rated quite well early, may even have had a top finish in Fitzroy's B&F, but was largely considered a bit of a wayward footballer, both on and off the field. Was traded by Melbourne to Fitzroy, wasn't selected to move to Brisbane so North Melbourne took a chance and re-drafted him. Won a flag there and was eventually delisted - again. Matthews took a chance on him - three more flags!

All clubs carry players that supporters have reservations about - even premiership clubs. I too would be surprised if McGuane was listed as our CHB for our next premiership, but like Brown, time tells me that McGuane may well still be a part of the club (or some other club) when a premiership is won, no matter how critical we may be of him.

The fact remains, you don't have purely stars on every line - Nick Maxwell especially appreciates that. The mix or structure of that team is far more important than the star studded nature - as Collingwood proved last year (sadly).

But hey, you'll have two things going for you when we do win a flag with one or more of our present day duds, 1/ you'll be able to say i told you so on the ones not there, and 2/ on the ones that are, you'll be able to say you are pleasantly surprised.

Oh and if you come over from LA for the game - I'll be down from Qld - we'll still have beer ! ;D
 
Re: Nothing less than a win will suffice next week

Barnzy said:
Amazing people were pumping up finals so much just 2-3 weeks ago. Drop a couple more 50/50 or 60/40 type games against the likes of Melb, North or Brisbane and we could still easily finish 13th-15th.

And win them and we still well in the running for finals. All people were stating is that we had set ourselves up for a potential finals position. Unfortunately the Port game set us back a bit as a winnable game. Did better than I thought we would against Swans, made all the harder with the early loss of Astbury. Mind you Swans did mis some unbelieavably easy set shots at goal.

We now have Brisbane, Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, Gold Coast, Geelong, West Coast, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, North. Last 2 years 11 wins got you in the 8. Aiming for 11.5 wins, we need to win 7 of last 11. I see 7 winnable games in this draw. Not probable but the best chance we've had for a while.
 
AstuteTiger said:
Good post over all but not ur assessment on goodes/rance....Goodes IMO was average at best with 10 possies, no goals and a lowly super coach score of 53...
Rance was very good 24 possies, 6 tackles and 100 super coach pts.

Goodes had his worst game in a long time. Just can't fathom why they don't use him more in the middle. Must drive their supporters mad.
 
Re: Nothing less than a win will suffice next week

GoodOne said:
And win them and we still well in the running for finals. All people were stating is that we had set ourselves up for a potential finals position. Unfortunately the Port game set us back a bit as a winnable game. Did better than I thought we would against Swans, made all the harder with the early loss of Astbury. Mind you Swans did mis some unbelieavably easy set shots at goal.

We now have Brisbane, Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, Gold Coast, Geelong, West Coast, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, North. Last 2 years 11 wins got you in the 8. Aiming for 11.5 wins, we need to win 7 of last 11. I see 7 winnable games in this draw. Not probable but the best chance we've had for a while.

If we can't run Carlton close, or beat Essendon and W/C - no point even being there in 2011 IMHO.
 
Big Cat Lover said:
I didn;t get to see the whole game but a bit of chimp criticism -
2. If he chooses to fly for marks in the forwrad line against our forwards he needs to mark them. Twice he flew in front of a pack, twice he dropped them when he had first touch. If you're not gonna take em stay front and square.

Yeah its a shame they didnt stick but I thought he went for them under the right circumstances. Ball coming in slow meaning backoine stacked and key forwards hard-tagged and unlikely to win the ball. Need other players in this situation to take advantage. I like the fact that we're trying to become less predictable.
 
KiwiTig said:
Should of sent Farmer out. Towards the end of the game Farmer took a mark near the bench and Dimma yelled at him "goalface" and he acknowleded. He then kicked it out on the full. He didn't turn around either, lucky should have seen the look on Dimmas face ;)

Maybe he thought he said 'scarface' and proceeded to kick it to the bikie in the crowd?
 
Re: Nothing less than a win will suffice next week

Phar Ace said:
If we can't run Carlton close, or beat Essendon and W/C - no point even being there in 2011 IMHO.

Agree regarding Essendon, I'd have the other two down as losses - Carlton have the wood on us and West Coast at their ground 9only lost 1 this year so far) are hard tasks. I think there's always a point getting to play under finals conditions, adds to the experience and imo playing a finals and losing convincingly is better than not playing one at all.
 
Re: Nothing less than a win will suffice next week

GoodOne said:
Agree regarding Essendon, I'd have the other two down as losses - Carlton have the wood on us and West Coast at their ground 9only lost 1 this year so far) are hard tasks. I think there's always a point getting to play under finals conditions, adds to the experience and imo playing a finals and losing convincingly is better than not playing one at all.

This is Richmond we are talking about - we don't back up finals appearances very well................... Not convinced a finals appearance would be much help this season. Doesn't mean you don't try and win every game, that's a development mindset as much as a skillset is, but development of players and structures is vastly more important.
 
Phar Ace said:
You write some good stuff at times, but like so many people you too seem to think we are going to have a star studded list when we finally start competing in September. It simply doesn't work that way.

A couple of names - Leigh Brown and Martin Pike.

Leigh Brown was widely considered the dud to end all duds (just ahead of Kent Kingsley) - has a premiership medal now and frankly, playing pretty good football in a disciplined team - a solid contributer without being star.
.........................

Good post. Not wanting to go off track too much in this thread, but the list of average players to have played in a premiership team is as long as the list of good players who havent. whilst there is next to no chance the entire 22 who played on sunday will all be part of our next premiership list, there are very few on our list who i would say have no chance of being part of that team.
 
I would like to know if what it appears to be is actually true.....

Do we make other teams kick poorly fo goal ? :hihi Seriously ? Does anyone have any stats to back that up ?

It seems that we are always in the game when we shouldnt really be this year due to other teams poor kicking for goal.