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Game day thread - Tiges v Sydney...one of the latest ever
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Seven...... Did tumbling really jump outa the way? :-[
last time visited the SCG it was raining, Micheal Gale ran the wrong way, and my Lady Tiger friend was swore at in the dunnys.
Oh year, and we lost.
last time visited the SCG it was raining, Micheal Gale ran the wrong way, and my Lady Tiger friend was swore at in the dunnys.
Oh year, and we lost.
IrockZ said:
Krakouer has always had crap fitness. This is as good as he's ever been. Which says something about his past.
It does have a lot to do with out young list. We turn it over more and more in the second half, as they get more fatigued. They just can't get to as many contests, and having big bodies of the swans hitting them for the entire game wears them down. This needs to change over the off season.
If I don't see some blokes with muscle definition next year Terry, I'll dead set spew.
marsinvenus said:
Yep. He jumped for the ball, reached out with one hand to take it, saw the swan players running straight at him and turned his body so he wouldn't get hit. Ball fell into the swan players lap who kicked the goal about 35 - 40 meters out.
Tambling raised his hand in the air to knowledge he made a mistake. He looked pretty down on himself.
Tambling has to hit the gym hard this pre season. The swan player would have broken him in half.
Bill James said:
Turn it up Billy.
Must be a hard realisation that Schulz isn't the problem.
What young key forward would want the joy of sharing a forward 50 with Richo and the worst Richmond midfield ever.
Have a look at their stats and take the blinkers off.
These young forwards are showing little more than Jay Schulz.
I agree on the fitness staff see you later, even Fiora has put on weight at the Saints and Rodan looks more ripped at Port, i am sick of looking at weeds, Wallace do something about it.
On another note in the preseason training report, all you heard about Johnno was he was jogging around the ground, i think he has done this the last 2 years, any wonder his skills suck.
This is one of our problems i want fixed, maybe we should all send Terry a email to get it done NOW.
On another note in the preseason training report, all you heard about Johnno was he was jogging around the ground, i think he has done this the last 2 years, any wonder his skills suck.
This is one of our problems i want fixed, maybe we should all send Terry a email to get it done NOW.
Thought Conners did OK, liked his go at Hall. Despite getting whupped by Goodes I liked Raines game, looked a little like what we saw from him last year. Liked Johnson's courage in filling the hole on Hall. If you want on-field leadership (and there were comments about Tambling squibbing it) then there it was. Liked Brown's game - he's coming back to us.
Krak deserved his selection and now deserves his pre-selection at the end of the year. He is going to be a fabulous VFL player - one of the best. Just hasn't quite got the physical capabilities he needs to go with his skills. I have been hoping Moore would do well this year - I hoped in vain, I don't think he is quite good enough to deserve a spot, his finishing always looks a little more hurried than those around him.
The sad thing is that we still got killed by a side (regardless of their skill) who aren't in the 8. It was watcheable for a change because they aren't a top four side but we still got hammered in the second half.
Krak deserved his selection and now deserves his pre-selection at the end of the year. He is going to be a fabulous VFL player - one of the best. Just hasn't quite got the physical capabilities he needs to go with his skills. I have been hoping Moore would do well this year - I hoped in vain, I don't think he is quite good enough to deserve a spot, his finishing always looks a little more hurried than those around him.
The sad thing is that we still got killed by a side (regardless of their skill) who aren't in the 8. It was watcheable for a change because they aren't a top four side but we still got hammered in the second half.
Perched high up (2nd back row) of the Brewongle Stand on Saturday night I could see the moves unfold seconds before they did - and during the first half our passages of play were equal to the Swans passages of play.
When the Swans kicked those 2 quick goals in the 1st quarter I thought here we go a 100 point flogging - but the Tigers stuck to their guns and came back to be within 7 points at qtr time. Second qtr was similar both teams were hard at it and asked for and gave no quarter - the luck of the umpiring had the Swans in front by 16 points at half time. The 2 guys I went to the SCG with (both Swans fans) were embarrassed by the 3 goals the Swans got which should have been disallowed as there were blantant free kicks to for hands in the back to our backmen.
After half time we were a rabble.
Our mid-field got flogged - I did not see one clearance from the centre for the whole quarter - our backline was under immense pressure as wave after wave of Swans forward thrust came upon them - but - our backs busted their guts to keep us in the contest and were willing to run the ball out of defence - unfortunately our mid-field, wingmen and half forwards were missing - there was no one to kick to up field - time and time again the ball rebounded from the Swans half back line back into our backline - and because our backs were trying to run the ball out and create opportunity they were left out of positiion with the ball coming back at them so quickly.
We need a Centre Half Forward real quick - we need half forward flankers who will provide opportunity - besides the mid-field this is where we broke down all 2nd half.
When we did get a passage of play happening our mid-fielders and half forward flankers would kick it to Richardson who always had 2 Swans on him and sometimes 3. My 17yo son said, "look there is ya new bloke 34 (Hughes) all alone half way between forward pocket and forward flank and silly bloody 15 (Pettifer) kicked it to ya full forward Richo on the other side of the forward line who had half the Swans backline on him."
Why doesn't Wallace use Richo as a decoy? - have him leading all over the forward line commanding 2 or 3 defenders to go with him and then get the mid-field, wingers and half forwards to kick it to the loose man (who must be alone because his defender has gone to help the fulback who is on Richo) - Its not rocket science.
In the second half the Tigers forgot their game plan - ran around the ground like an under 17's kids team - you know - trying to look impressive but not in the hunt and not really knowing what they were meant to be doing. I do not subscribe to the lack of fitness excuse - I feel they were shell shocked with what the Swans were able to do to them and how with how easy the Swans did it. Once it became apparent that the game was gone a large number of the Tiger players gave up the fight and just went through the motions. A sure sign of being mentally shot. How Wallace and co can turn that around in the 2 years he has left on his contract is beyond me.
Tambling did dog it too - it was right in front of us and he tried to scoop the ball out of the air whilst dodging the steam train Swan coming the other way - had he put his body on the line turning it on impact he would of most likely of recieved a free kick for in the back.
Connors tried to hand ball to himself between 2 Swans forwards and got nailed - ball spilt and the Swans got a goal - 2 good things came from the incident - 1) he was prepared to have a go at beating his opposite number but got collared by a 2nd Swan and 2) when the Swans got the goal most of the Tiger players rushed to Connors side to encourage him to keep going, don't let it worry you, keep trying, ya doin' well - thats how I read it anyway.
Moore did not need a shower after the game - he got a bath all night from O'Keefe - wrong match up there Mr Wallace and you did not shift him - the kid had learnt his lesson by 3/4 time.
Raines was given the job on Goodes all night and it appeared to me to be out there to learn a lesson on 1) What it takes to be a centreman/mid-fielder and 2) How to read the play and get to the contests without buring too much energy. By the end of the night he was lagging a good 5 meters behind Goodes who was still running and running and running. I feel it was a lesson well learnt and Raines will benefit from the night.
Lastly I had a wonderful time baiting the Swans fans around me in the stand - they took it in good jest and gave it back with interest. One dear little old grandmother had flown down from Brisbane to take her grand kids to the see her beloved Swans - she had everything that a Swans fan could carry to the footy and at qtr time was obviously off to get the kids some eats and as she passed I said "ya don't have to go home now the Swans are still a chance to win!" She laughed and shook her fist at me.......all in all a good night out......but.....for the weak 2nd half by the Tigers.
When the Swans kicked those 2 quick goals in the 1st quarter I thought here we go a 100 point flogging - but the Tigers stuck to their guns and came back to be within 7 points at qtr time. Second qtr was similar both teams were hard at it and asked for and gave no quarter - the luck of the umpiring had the Swans in front by 16 points at half time. The 2 guys I went to the SCG with (both Swans fans) were embarrassed by the 3 goals the Swans got which should have been disallowed as there were blantant free kicks to for hands in the back to our backmen.
After half time we were a rabble.
Our mid-field got flogged - I did not see one clearance from the centre for the whole quarter - our backline was under immense pressure as wave after wave of Swans forward thrust came upon them - but - our backs busted their guts to keep us in the contest and were willing to run the ball out of defence - unfortunately our mid-field, wingmen and half forwards were missing - there was no one to kick to up field - time and time again the ball rebounded from the Swans half back line back into our backline - and because our backs were trying to run the ball out and create opportunity they were left out of positiion with the ball coming back at them so quickly.
We need a Centre Half Forward real quick - we need half forward flankers who will provide opportunity - besides the mid-field this is where we broke down all 2nd half.
When we did get a passage of play happening our mid-fielders and half forward flankers would kick it to Richardson who always had 2 Swans on him and sometimes 3. My 17yo son said, "look there is ya new bloke 34 (Hughes) all alone half way between forward pocket and forward flank and silly bloody 15 (Pettifer) kicked it to ya full forward Richo on the other side of the forward line who had half the Swans backline on him."
Why doesn't Wallace use Richo as a decoy? - have him leading all over the forward line commanding 2 or 3 defenders to go with him and then get the mid-field, wingers and half forwards to kick it to the loose man (who must be alone because his defender has gone to help the fulback who is on Richo) - Its not rocket science.
In the second half the Tigers forgot their game plan - ran around the ground like an under 17's kids team - you know - trying to look impressive but not in the hunt and not really knowing what they were meant to be doing. I do not subscribe to the lack of fitness excuse - I feel they were shell shocked with what the Swans were able to do to them and how with how easy the Swans did it. Once it became apparent that the game was gone a large number of the Tiger players gave up the fight and just went through the motions. A sure sign of being mentally shot. How Wallace and co can turn that around in the 2 years he has left on his contract is beyond me.
Tambling did dog it too - it was right in front of us and he tried to scoop the ball out of the air whilst dodging the steam train Swan coming the other way - had he put his body on the line turning it on impact he would of most likely of recieved a free kick for in the back.
Connors tried to hand ball to himself between 2 Swans forwards and got nailed - ball spilt and the Swans got a goal - 2 good things came from the incident - 1) he was prepared to have a go at beating his opposite number but got collared by a 2nd Swan and 2) when the Swans got the goal most of the Tiger players rushed to Connors side to encourage him to keep going, don't let it worry you, keep trying, ya doin' well - thats how I read it anyway.
Moore did not need a shower after the game - he got a bath all night from O'Keefe - wrong match up there Mr Wallace and you did not shift him - the kid had learnt his lesson by 3/4 time.
Raines was given the job on Goodes all night and it appeared to me to be out there to learn a lesson on 1) What it takes to be a centreman/mid-fielder and 2) How to read the play and get to the contests without buring too much energy. By the end of the night he was lagging a good 5 meters behind Goodes who was still running and running and running. I feel it was a lesson well learnt and Raines will benefit from the night.
Lastly I had a wonderful time baiting the Swans fans around me in the stand - they took it in good jest and gave it back with interest. One dear little old grandmother had flown down from Brisbane to take her grand kids to the see her beloved Swans - she had everything that a Swans fan could carry to the footy and at qtr time was obviously off to get the kids some eats and as she passed I said "ya don't have to go home now the Swans are still a chance to win!" She laughed and shook her fist at me.......all in all a good night out......but.....for the weak 2nd half by the Tigers.
B
Bill James
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Tigers of Old said:
| Player | MT | K | H | D | Avg | M | Avg | HO | Avg | T | Avg | G | Avg | Rat | Avg |
| Cleve Hughes | 9 | 41 | 23 | 64 | 7 | 26 | 2.90 | 2.00 | 0.20 | 10 | 1 | 11 | 1 | 362 | 40 |
| Jack Riewoldt | 4 | 16 | 11 | 27 | 7 | 15 | 3.80 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 160 | 40 |
| Jay Schulz | 48 | 196 | 88 | 284 | 6 | 142 | 3.00 | 6.00 | 0.10 | 64 | 1 | 45 | 1 | 1694 | 35 |
If Richo is the problem would you honestly dump him for Sarge. Spare me, the big fella has some weaknesses but for mine he also is showing a little more than Schulz.
So leaving the stats aside because they show that none of them should demand a key forward position in any AFL side, it remains important to me that both the boys look more like footballers than Sarge. They look like they know where to go, when to go and what to do when they get there. I am sorry but I don't see that in Sarge. I know you say Sarge gets on some long leads that are not honored, well I have to say they are not long enough to get on my TV screen in WA.
Bill James said:
When on earth have I said that? :blah
Of course Richardson is better than Schulz.
That doesn't mean Jay should not be part of our future plans however.
I am not suggesting Schulz is any better than Hughes or Riewoldt but I am suggesting he is no worse. The stats bare that out.
He's only 22, it's not like he's over the hill and hopefully can still make a solid contribution.
I prefer a three pronged tall forward line to one as I have stated ad nauseum.
The time for a single focus in the forward line has passed. We need multiple avenues to goal.
I'd prefer to see Hughes, Riewoldt & Schulz all playing in the forward 50m as opposed to Richardson with Richo playing much further up the ground.
Given Richo's moderate output on the weekend, now is absolutely the time to try this again.
We had a good structure in the Weagles game(Hughes CHF, Schulz FF) and after the Geelong game I'd like Terry to try it again only this time with Riewoldt up front as well.
What have we got to lose?!?!?!?
All your above stats have highlighted to me is it doesn't matter which of our young key forwards plays up front with Richo, they are all having similar issues. I bet Buddy Franklin and Richo playing in the same forward 50 would cause many of the same problems (unfortunate we won't get the chance to find out).
At the end of his contract, if Schulz fails next season, we can flick him but I'd hope the club doesn't trade him just yet.
A great report of the game RT.
I agree with everything, except that some of the responsibility for the mid-field turnovers lay with our poor kicking from defence. Certainly our back men were left stranded time after time with the ball sailing over their heads to the Swans' goals.
I agree with everything, except that some of the responsibility for the mid-field turnovers lay with our poor kicking from defence. Certainly our back men were left stranded time after time with the ball sailing over their heads to the Swans' goals.