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Game day vs Essendon

LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Chris Johnson - 3 Martin, 2 Cotchin, 1 Zaharakis
Caroline Wilson - 3 Cotchin, 2 Zaharakis, 1 Heppell
Sam Lane - 3 Martin, 2 Ellis, 1 Heppell
Jason Mifsud - 3 Martin, 2 Heppell, 1 Ellis

Staggered that anyone could vote for Heppell ahead of the opposing skipper, other than as a token Essendon representative. Didn't think they had anyone in the best three or four.

She loves a grudge does Wilson. Did it to Jake, did it to cousins and now Dusty. Her supporters will still find a way to pin it on anyone but her and then cite some lack of appendage as the reason people don't like her.
 
AFLCA

43 Martin (6) 4th
29 Rance (5) eq 15th
25 Cotchin (5) eq 25th
23 Riewoldt (4) eq 32nd
13 Grigg (3) eq 74th
9 Nankervis (3) eq 103rd
8 Castagna (2), Prestia (1) eq 116th
4 Astbury (2), B.Ellis (1) eq 157th
2 Grimes (1) eq 213th
1 Butler, Houli eq 223rd
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Chris Johnson - 3 Martin, 2 Cotchin, 1 Zaharakis
Caroline Wilson - 3 Cotchin, 2 Zaharakis, 1 Heppell
Sam Lane - 3 Martin, 2 Ellis, 1 Heppell
Jason Mifsud - 3 Martin, 2 Heppell, 1 Ellis

Staggered that anyone could vote for Heppell ahead of the opposing skipper, other than as a token Essendon representative. Didn't think they had anyone in the best three or four.

May as well get the umps to do it.
 
agincourt said:
Generally not a fan of all the rule changes (the deliberate rushed behind decision got them fuming), the PC/SJW mantra of the modern AFL (with it's "inclusion" officers, tokenism, feature rounds every other week etc), not big fans of Hardwick, agree that recruitment has let us down in recent years.......pretty much the same thoughts as most people on here really.
Was nice that they didn't bite their tongues and censor their thoughts.
Cheers, I especially liked the pc/sjw hating.
 
agincourt said:
Generally not a fan of all the rule changes (the deliberate rushed behind decision got them fuming), the PC/SJW mantra of the modern AFL (with it's "inclusion" officers, tokenism, feature rounds every other week etc), not big fans of Hardwick, agree that recruitment has let us down in recent years.......pretty much the same thoughts as most people on here really.
Was nice that they didn't bite their tongues and censor their thoughts.

Ex players often the most critical ... Even more than some of us in my experience.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Chris Johnson - 3 Martin, 2 Cotchin, 1 Zaharakis
Caroline Wilson - 3 Cotchin, 2 Zaharakis, 1 Heppell
Sam Lane - 3 Martin, 2 Ellis, 1 Heppell
Jason Mifsud - 3 Martin, 2 Heppell, 1 Ellis

Staggered that anyone could vote for Heppell ahead of the opposing skipper, other than as a token Essendon representative. Didn't think they had anyone in the best three or four.
Anyone who gave Zaka votes was going off stats, not impact.
 
spook said:
Anyone who gave Zaka votes was going off stats, not impact.

Totally agree.
I thought essendons best player was the kid wearing 1
Goddard was good in the first qtr then disappeared
Heppel was ok
And the rest were *smile*. Including Zakarakas
 
Yeah, he can play that McGrath.

In a close game, voters tend to split the votes between the teams. But close was only the scoreboard. Everywhere else we were an 8-goal better side. I thought we clearly had the best four players on the ground.
 
spook said:
Yeah, he can play that McGrath.

In a close game, voters tend to split the votes between the teams. But close was only the scoreboard. Everywhere else we were an 8-goal better side. I thought we clearly had the best four players on the ground.

The game was an absolute shellacking that only the RFC could conspire to fall over the line by 15 points.
An interesting experiment is to reverse the accuracy while maintaining the scoring shots ... final score would be us 16.10, them 7.9, a better reflection I think.
You could even take out the three goal head start they got while we were deciding there was a footy match on.

Still wondering how good or bad we might be.
Adelaide still the only blot on our report card. Maybe Freo too because it should never have been that close.

We are either a bad side being coached very well and playing above ourselves or a good side being coached poorly. Take your pick.
 
23.21.159 said:
Still wondering how good or bad we might be.
Adelaide still the only blot on our report card. Maybe Freo too because it should never have been that close.

We are either a bad side being coached very well and playing above ourselves or a good side being coached poorly. Take your pick.

This part of your post is even more interesting than the rest of it, 23. I haven't made my mind up either.
 
I'm leaning towards the coaching: our philosophy is the complete opposite to what we were attempting in previous years. More like that great game against St Kilda at Etihad that Hardwick dissed.

And we're doing it despite the handicap at CHF. Put some gas into that vacuum and we're 9-1.
 
23.21.159 said:
We are either a bad side being coached very well and playing above ourselves or a good side being coached poorly. Take your pick.

if we are coached as badly as some would have us believe we must have the best recruiting team in the league.....
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Chris Johnson - 3 Martin, 2 Cotchin, 1 Zaharakis
Caroline Wilson - 3 Cotchin, 2 Zaharakis, 1 Heppell
Sam Lane - 3 Martin, 2 Ellis, 1 Heppell
Jason Mifsud - 3 Martin, 2 Heppell, 1 Ellis

Staggered that anyone could vote for Heppell ahead of the opposing skipper, other than as a token Essendon representative. Didn't think they had anyone in the best three or four.

I'm going to rank these voters. It's only right that the judges are judged on their performance.

2 Chris Johnson. Decent all round media voting, getting the first two correct and tokenism for balance for the least important vote slot. Solid performance .
1 Same Lane. Similar performance to Johnson, but let herself down in respect of elevating both Ellis AND Heppell over Cotchin. Double error marred an otherwise ok outing.
1/2 Jason Mifsud. Half a vote for at least getting Martin right and mentioning Ellis,
0 Caroline Wilson. What the fudge? Might have scored a token 1/4 vote for giving Cotchin the nod because he did have a good game. But excluding Martin for two Essendon players was just lunacy. This would have gained negative votes if the system allowed. Dismal performance from a seasoned campaigner who shouldn't let axe grinding get in the way of objectivity.

3 - anyone who voted 3 Martin, 2 Cotchin 1 Ellis (or Rance. Anyone else who played like he did would be marvelled at, but he does it so often than it doesn't impact your perception the same way)

(PS- contrary to some other posters, I actually thought Houli had a pretty decent game too)
 
Mac said:
I'm going to rank these voters. It's only right that the judges are judged on their performance.

2 Chris Johnson. Decent all round media voting, getting the first two correct and tokenism for balance for the least important vote slot. Solid performance .
1 Same Lane. Similar performance to Johnson, but let herself down in respect of elevating both Ellis AND Heppell over Cotchin. Double error marred an otherwise ok outing.
1/2 Jason Mifsud. Half a vote for at least getting Martin right and mentioning Ellis,
0 Caroline Wilson. What the fudge? Might have scored a token 1/4 vote for giving Cotchin the nod because he did have a good game. But excluding Martin for two Essendon players was just lunacy. This would have gained negative votes if the system allowed. Dismal performance from a seasoned campaigner who shouldn't let axe grinding get in the way of objectivity.

3 - anyone who voted 3 Martin, 2 Cotchin 1 Ellis (or Rance. Anyone else who played like he did would be marvelled at, but he does it so often than it doesn't impact your perception the same way)

(PS- contrary to some other posters, I actually thought Houli had a pretty decent game too)

Now let's judge Mac's performance. Gee this could go on for ever.
 
tigerlove said:
Now let's judge Mac's performance. Gee this could go on for ever.

Ha! I was thinking the same thing as I was typing!

How did I go?
 
You went very well, Mac. I agree with you. Caroline's votes for Bummer players showed she was busier with the hospitality and food, wine provided rather than watching the game. (And I usually don't mind her).
 
23.21.159 said:
The game was an absolute shellacking that only the RFC could conspire to fall over the line by 15 points.
An interesting experiment is to reverse the accuracy while maintaining the scoring shots ... final score would be us 16.10, them 7.9, a better reflection I think.
You could even take out the three goal head start they got while we were deciding there was a footy match on.

Still wondering how good or bad we might be.
Adelaide still the only blot on our report card. Maybe Freo too because it should never have been that close.

We are either a bad side being coached very well and playing above ourselves or a good side being coached poorly. Take your pick.

I believe we are being coached pretty well, but our problem is when we face a team that rebounds well. Our gameplan is all about having the ball in our forward half and then locking it in there. The only game where we got smashed, we got obliterated in the middle and just couldn't get the ball forward to get our game going.

I believe losing Yarran is one of the biggest impacts of having that Plan B as he would have been our slingshot, no we don't really have one, so if Plan A doesn't work we tend to struggle.

So IMO coached pretty well, but don't have a backup Plan for when Plan A doesn't work.
 
23.21.159 said:
The game was an absolute shellacking that only the RFC could conspire to fall over the line by 15 points.
An interesting experiment is to reverse the accuracy while maintaining the scoring shots ... final score would be us 16.10, them 7.9, a better reflection I think.
You could even take out the three goal head start they got while we were deciding there was a footy match on.

Still wondering how good or bad we might be.
Adelaide still the only blot on our report card. Maybe Freo too because it should never have been that close.

We are either a bad side being coached very well and playing above ourselves or a good side being coached poorly. Take your pick.
I actually think we are a slightly above average team that is coached better than average. Reading the Bomber blogs after the win on saturday the posters were quite uniform in their belief that they were significantly outcoached.

I think many times this year we have got the games on our terms at some point which have allowed us to score quickly and heavily. It appears that we have only won a quarter or two in most games but they have been arm wrestles where subtle changes that Dimma and Co have been wreaking have paid off.

This team is coachable in the most part. The coaching group have got it mostly right instead of mostly wrong as last year. Credit to Leppa, Truck, Caracella and McRae.
 
I didn't get to see the game and I was just wondering whether the bummer fans booed Cotch Throughout the game