Gas, Razor and Kella/Will it stop now (merged)

[AngryAnt]

Just my sense of humour RW. Glad you are not offended. Speculation is fine - even if you make clear up front its only speculation you have to expect reaction to what you write - just because you say "I am speculating here" does not mean that we will not express our opinions on that speculation.

Spin is spin and I don't think any worse of Terry Wallace for not being totally honest and even changing his story some of the time. He has media commitments as well as coaching commitments and he cannot give a fully honest appraisal of every issue relevant to the football club or the players for obvious commercial, strategic and political reasons.

This is exactly why it is a mistake to overanalyse things Wallace says, or does not say, or contradicts himself saying. Its just Wallet's public persona.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I like your style Ray.
You and I are on the same wavelength at least.
Whether or not we're right in this instance is not the point. There's little doubt some things don't add up.

Some here probably believe everything "Honest John" tells them as well .

TW is the King of Spin and as media savy as the best of them. He knows that honesty is not always the best policy by now.
But I truly don't think that's a bad thing. As I've said Sheeds has been doing it for years. Very successfully too I might add.

I like TW alot as a coach but not because everything he says is gospel.

Questioning as supporters is healthy is it not?

Couldn't agree more ToO...and thanks.

stunning posting rayzorwire

just great entertaining stuff and just beautifuly eloquent

you are the man.

LOL...I can't work out whether you're kidding or not L&B...but thanks anyway.

Just my sense of humour RW. Glad you are not offended. Speculation is fine - even if you make clear up front its only speculation you have to expect reaction to what you write - just because you say "I am speculating here" does not mean that we will not express our opinions on that speculation.

Spin is spin and I don't think any worse of Terry Wallace for not being totally honest and even changing his story some of the time. He has media commitments as well as coaching commitments and he cannot give a fully honest appraisal of every issue relevant to the football club or the players for obvious commercial, strategic and political reasons.

This is exactly why it is a mistake to overanalyse things Wallace says, or does not say, or contradicts himself saying. Its just Wallet's public persona.

No worries Ant...I'm happy for what was speculation to be criticised/debated, but it was getting to the point where some of you were building it into a definite belief, which was beginning to bug me a little. I like virtually all Wallace's work in the media and in the coaching box, he's a great ambassador for the club and I fully understand why he does spin things now and again, but he does force you to read between the lines a fair bit...when that happens regularly a bit of speculation is inevitable IMO.

 

[Lidsand]

no sarcasm at all

i love reading your posts even if you do ramble on a bit. generally great

i particularly liked this one

Too many conspiracy theories Rayzorwire, Icannot imagine them treating *smile* like that at all, terrible way ot rteat a great servant of our club. No way in a crucial game for us would Wallace have intentionally picked McGuane ahead of Gaspar after 2 games at Coburg (yes it happened with Thursfield but is a rarity) if Gaspar was fit.

If long term seniors are to be left out for the sake of playing kids, then obviously some of them are going to be seen as badly treated by some people.

Rayzor, you forgot to mention the Knights of the Templar, Flight 93, the CIA and the Russian mafia in your theory mate. Clearly they all had a part to play in this heinous conspiracy.

For goodness sakes Ant, since when does a bit of speculation turn into a "conspiracy theory" in your mind? Despite the apparent desire of some of you to make out that I believe wholeheartedly in what I speculated upon, I've never said it was more than a maybe. Beats me why some of you feel such a hunger to mock other's opinions - whether justified or not - particularly when it was clearly offered up as speculation. It's a bit like the people that post on a thread purely to say how crap it or the author is.

Wondered how long it would take for the conspiracy theory to surface.

I wonder how long it would take for you to admit you'd misread what I was saying Anduril, evidently it's beneath you to do so...

Been thinking about it GT and have my own conspiracy theory. If Terry keeps telling reporters Gas is injured and asking how many times he has to tell them that, if he keeps defending Gas on WLF whenever his name is raised, if he regularly says we're missing Gas from the team, if Gas didn't play for Coburg when he was replaced as emergency then maybe he's actually injured?

I wonder if anyone's actually considered that or is the thought too far fetched? :rofl

Again, what "conspiracy theory?" Don't any of you people understand the words "speculation" and "maybe?" Tell me Rosy, seeing Wallace told us Krakouer had an ankle injury for the Brisbane game and was withdrawn purely for that reason, how does this recent comment sit:

"Four weeks ago we went up to the Gabba to play Brisbane in our second interstate trip in a row.

We knew that after back-to-back games at Subiaco and the Gabba we had a six-day turnaround before playing Carlton at the MCG.

Our match committee decided we needed some fresh legs for later battles so we gave Andrew Krakouer a rest against the Lions."

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?action=post;quote=416787;topic=21720.0;num_replies=4;sesc=08974d335cd2f6a2660b6f16d2693a3e

Clearly we should have swallowed Wallace's 'ankle injury' selection ploy hook, line and sinker, only to find out weeks later from the horse's mouth it was a ruse. Clearly we should have believed Wallace all along that Johnson was coming back next week, the week after and the week after that, rather than take "The Mole's" insider view that he had reinjured himself and is still a month away from returning. The Mole is obviously a 'conspiracy theorist'...Johnson really was about to return week after week and still is. Clearly we should take everything Wallace says as the gospel truth, rather than view it as possible selection ruses he apparently feels are necessary for wrongfooting the opposition (and himself occasionally!).

If you want to believe what I've viewed as possible Wallace damage control over his previous unguarded comments that's your right. As it is also your right to believe only the words out of Wallace's mouth that suit you. But spare me the facetious mockery huh? You may think you're being amusing, but it really doesn't read that way to me...just looks like a mockery mob enjoying themselves with you last in line, but still feeling you need to add to it.
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FWIW, despite the above comments, I'm not annoyed at any of you and I'm taking this in a light-hearted manner, I just don't really appreciate having my words spun to the point of wholesale invention and used for the purpose of unwarranted mockery...or perhaps just all of your (from my perspective) bizarre sense's of humour? If I don't nip this crap in the bud you'll all probably keep doing it for another 10 pages...all based on something I never once said I believed...was never anything more than a maybe...purely because none of us can know for sure what is the truth. FWIW, I still believe it's a maybe.

Do you get it this time around?

 

[Rayzorwire]

Cheers L&B...I know I ramble on a bit...had to learn to type a few years back and I guess I really took to it like a duck to water. :hihi

 

[Rosy]

Again, what "conspiracy theory?" Don't any of you people understand the words "speculation" and "maybe?"

Oohhh getting a bit serious there Rayzor. ;D 

I'm quite aware of the spin the club put out and certainly don't take every word as gospel.  In fact I don't even read most of the articles because I prefer action to words.

BUT-

Even before Gas was injured Terry defended him several times on WLF.  I'm confident he'd prefer Gas was fit and in the team.

I give Terry credit for being too professional to do what's been 'speculated' and 'maybe'd' on here.  Who knows how the season will pan out and how desperate we'll get for players.  It's Terry's job to ensure we have our players available and Gas won't be improving his form sitting games out.

IMO a 'maybe' conspiracy theory that Gas is hidden away is laughable.  If he was fit he'd be playing for one team or the other and he's not.  He's been injured.

 

[Anduril]

Wondered how long it would take for the conspiracy theory to surface.

I wonder how long it would take for you to admit you'd misread what I was saying Anduril, evidently it's beneath you to do so...

Actually I did!
But no time to seach for it now as I have healthy lunches to prepare and kids to collect so I can take them to the footy.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Oohhh getting a bit serious there Rayzor. ;D

On the contrary Rosy, I said I was not annoyed and taking it in a light hearted manner. But please, don't let me hold you back from your exercises in selective reading. ;D

Wondered how long it would take for the conspiracy theory to surface.

I wonder how long it would take for you to admit you'd misread what I was saying Anduril, evidently it's beneath you to do so...

Actually I did!
But no time to seach for it now as I have healthy lunches to prepare and kids to collect so I can take them to the footy.

Don't bother searching Anduril, it doesn't exist. Maybe you meant to do it and forgot...only to (purely by accident and coincidence?) come back with the same 'conspiracy theory' mentality later?

:clap :clap :clap

 

[Rosy]

On the contrary Rosy, I said I was not annoyed and taking it in a light hearted manner. But please, don't let me hold you back from your exercises in selective reading.  ;D

I admit I am guilty of selective reading with some of your posts Rayzor but I did read your 'Clayton's' claim of taking it in a light hearted manner.

FWIW, despite the above comments, I'm not annoyed at any of you and I'm taking this in a light-hearted manner, I just don't really appreciate having my words spun to the point of wholesale invention and used for the purpose of unwarranted mockery...or perhaps just all of your (from my perspective) bizarre sense's of humour? If I don't nip this crap in the bud you'll all probably keep doing it for another 10 pages...all based on something I never once said I believed...was never anything more than a maybe...purely because none of us can know for sure what is the truth. FWIW, I still believe it's a maybe.

Do you get it this time around?

Just didn't sound overly light hearted to me....I'm still laughing just the same. :rofl