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"Gaspargate" - Is this where it all started to go wrong
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mainlandy said:
I agree, it was the right decision... however
People have short memories. Gaspar was kept over Andy Kellaway because Gas qualified for the veterans list so was in effect an extra player on the list. Andy missed out by 1 year as he had such a late start to his AFL career. Gaspar may have been pushed, but he was never forced to retire, he was simply told that the kids would be picked over him unless his form demanded selection. Plenty of other veterans have had the same conditions put on them, such as Prestigiacomo and Wakelin, but they have been happy to go back to VFL and earn their selection, Gaspar spat the dummy and quit.
It all really went wrong with the following: -
1. Miller trading low draft picks for players, especially bungle with Johnson trade and recruiting absolute duds like Weller and Morrison from Brisbane and McMahon from the Bulldogs.
2. Failed recruiting for as long as anyone can remember but especially the 2001 & 2004 drafts. Apart from Delidio, we've achieved next to nothing when we had the chance to rebuild.
3. Failure of Wallace to slash the list far harder after 2004 and 2005 seasons and decision to bring in players like Mark Graham. Really put the process back 2 years.
4. Persistence with a game plan that requires precision kicking when we don't have the players to do it.
1. Miller trading low draft picks for players, especially bungle with Johnson trade and recruiting absolute duds like Weller and Morrison from Brisbane and McMahon from the Bulldogs.
2. Failed recruiting for as long as anyone can remember but especially the 2001 & 2004 drafts. Apart from Delidio, we've achieved next to nothing when we had the chance to rebuild.
3. Failure of Wallace to slash the list far harder after 2004 and 2005 seasons and decision to bring in players like Mark Graham. Really put the process back 2 years.
4. Persistence with a game plan that requires precision kicking when we don't have the players to do it.
ZeroGame said:
That isn't accurate.
Two comments from the same press conference
Gas said "When I signed on last year (a one-season contract extension) I expected every opportunity to earn my spot in the team, as you would. "When I learned this wasn't the case, I was surprised and very disappointed.
Terry said "In our situation, when Darren was ahead of them in form, Darren was played," "But once those guys had caught up to him, all of a sudden we believe the upside of playing those players outweighed everything else."
It wasn't about Darren finding form, it was about a youth policy. Gas was a scapegoat and I have been told privately about what happeend. Nothing against our backmen now but they weren't in better form than Gas at the time and I still don't think we have a full back as good as he was yet.
Those who think TW did well to get of him a few games after renewing his contract astound me. If he was delisted at the end of the season rather than had his contract renewed he might have got a chance at another club.
"Darren's record speaks for itself and he is very much part of our plans for 2007 and beyond," said Richmond football director Greg Miller. The face we ended up paying out the recently renewed contract of a player says to me it was handled very poorly indeed.
rosy23 said:
Sorry, but Darren had been terrible in the first few games of the year. There have been plenty of other veterans pushed aside for a youth policy and none of them spat the dummy like Gaspar did. He was never told he wouldn't play again, simply that kids would be given priority selection.
No way was GasparGate the beginning of the silde. Our failure to identify and develop talent from the drafts in 2000-2005 is why we are bottom now. Out of those 6 years only Newman, Tuck, White, Moore and Deledio are decent players.
Some of our picks are laughable for other clubs - but not us - Jarrad Oakley Nichols at pick 8! Before Higgins and Jones - you've got to be kidding.
Some of our picks are laughable for other clubs - but not us - Jarrad Oakley Nichols at pick 8! Before Higgins and Jones - you've got to be kidding.
rosy23 said:
Very angry Rosy? I was absolutely gobsmacked. Two All-Australian defenders, one a number 1 draft pick, and TW has the temerity to say that he inherited them like they were a couple of duds. Yeah, they were nearing the end of their careers, and yes, they probably should have gone earlier than they did, but the irony here is almost unbearable.
ZeroGame said:
You're entitled to that opinion but others obviously disagree. I just checked the PRE votes for the first couple of games. In a position that traditionally doesn't score high votes anyway in Round 1 Gas scored 5x3 votes, 3x 2 votes and 3 x 1 votes. In the second round he scored 2x 3 votes, 2x 2 votes and 10 single votes.
The whole Gaspar/Kellaway thing was a disgrace. Full stop. However, I think we may be papering over things by suggesting that the players are not playing to 100% because they have the sh-ts on with Wallace. By doing so - the potential is that you may no longer be required by the Club. Being offered up by a Club that is sitting on the bottom of the ladder is not going to get you to the Club of your choice or your favourite coach in a hurry.
Unless we have the most stupid players in the competition that believe as a form of silent protest it will work in their favour ?????
If we do...heaven help us...........
Unless we have the most stupid players in the competition that believe as a form of silent protest it will work in their favour ?????
If we do...heaven help us...........
Very possible. The week after was the 151 point debacle.
I honestly rkn the players senior and junior are sick of Wallace
I honestly rkn the players senior and junior are sick of Wallace
We tried to take shortcuts, half way approches from the start, we were far too generous in contracts.
Gaspar should have got the bullet at the end of the year, along with others. We never took the hard edge, short term pain for three years for a decade of success, we tried to cheat the systems. Just cannot be done unless everysingle draft pick you make becomes a long term player and that never happens.
A clean start needs to happen. We need to phase out players, quickly with class.
Gaspar should have got the bullet at the end of the year, along with others. We never took the hard edge, short term pain for three years for a decade of success, we tried to cheat the systems. Just cannot be done unless everysingle draft pick you make becomes a long term player and that never happens.
A clean start needs to happen. We need to phase out players, quickly with class.
He had us stooged for 2 years until 2007, where in a sudden shock, pronounces that 2011 would be the year for us.
No wonder we won the spoon that year. I think most of the players just went through the motions round by round last year.
No wonder we won the spoon that year. I think most of the players just went through the motions round by round last year.
ZeroGame said:
Im suprised it took this long in the thread for someone to remember that.
At least Tivendale kept his respect by going back to Coburg and winning selection. (irrelevant that his return was a shocker)
Gaspar had that option also.
He was demanding big money before going to the Swans as he did before going to Richmond.
He certainly had a mentality that certain things were beneath him.
I would have thought Andy Kellaways departure would have upset the players more.
If Gaspar felt hard done by premature departures then he should chat to Brendan Gale about how it can come about.
So why did you retire Brendan? Like to hear his reply
Trying to pin down when thinsg went wrong is impossible....we havent done anything right since appointing Northey. We have kept players who cant and dumped players who could. We need to look beyond Wallace and it wont be until we become hard again that things will go right. We have become soft. Sacking players is hard but should be done. Sacking Gas was fine but timing was wrong....why do we bow to the bleeding hearts?
We should have sent a few more under achieving veterans last year.
We should have sent a few more under achieving veterans last year.
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You should be an economist Claw,knowing all the answers after the fact,and gleefully gorging yourself - "I told you so".Let us look at it in perspective:the claw said:
3 rounds-3 losses.Played Carlton,Geelong,Bulldogs,all picked to finish in the 8 this year.Hmmm we lost.Hmmm could have been losses to Freo,Melb,WC.Predicted bottom 3 sides this year.Hmmm,that could have been more of a concern.
The way the side has played?A concern certainly.It does not help if you are being reactive,rather than proactive.IMO the list on paper,given the combination of experience and youth deserves better.
??????????????The BIG question mark is why they do not click.IMO again,it seems quite apparent that during the Frawley years,and TW that the leadership group seems cliquey making it difficult for newcomers to achieve their potential.This just might explain why the poor options are chosen ahead of someone making the play out on their own.Hmmm,maybe they are all just prima donnas.
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Will 2009 be a repeat of 2006? ie 9th with a bullett??
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Just get behind Terry and the boys....there is still 19 games to go..........
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