good post Burger.Coburgtiger said:It is pretty hilarious that all the conservatives and deniers have suddenly jumped on the over population train.
For so long they've been telling us that climate change isn't an issue. Recently, in the face of overwhelming evidence, they've been saying that it is an issue but it's not human driven. Now they've jumped sideways to the idea that climate change isn't the issue, it's humans themselves that are the issue.
It's an interesting 180 from humans aren't causing the problem, to humans are the only problem.
Four issues with this new misdirect.
1. No duh. Humans are bad for the other animals. We know this. In this context, the 'over' part of over population is redundant. Human populations have been out competing other species for resources for hundreds of thousands of years, since we were a population measured in the thousands. Any population is over population as far as the wiping out of natural habitats is concerned. Encroaching on natural habitats is what we do. Here's the thing. A lot of people asking for action on climate change don't actually care about the trees or the frogs or the bees. They care about the people. Climate change is going to affect us way more than the environment. The environment has been around for four and a half billion years and will continue to so for the next few billion. What we want is to maintain one that is good for humans.
2. We already have action on our increasing population. Our growth is not exponential. The rate of growth has been declining for the last 50 years. Meanwhile the rate of increase in CO2 in the atmosphere has been increasing for the last 50 years.
3. Increasing population is a non issue if your impact decreases. Impact on the environment is the thing we want to address. Obviously, one way is to eradicate people, but we like people
4. What are these people actually suggesting? I've still never heard any ideas. Immigration? Unless they're coming in from outer space, what? Distribution of prophylactics and sex Ed? Definitely! We're already doing that, let's keep it up. All that's left is castration and culling. Clearly that causes the problem we're trying to solve. Human suffering.
It's basically whataboutism. Let's ignore climate change because humans cause environmental issues just by existing. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
there's a definite shift on here amongst the deniers.
Still, its more sophisticated than single use plastic bags being the focus of saving the reef :headscratch