Global Warming

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I've said all I can without repeating myself and won't be contributing further thoughts. Will return to this thread at some future point when it becomes less hysterical.

In the meantime I ask only that you read the following two articles in their entirety

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""Climate change is an issue I care passionately about and have dedicated a significant portion of my life to addressing. I have been politically active on the issue for over 20 years and have researched and written about it for 17 years."

Why Apocalyptic Claims About Climate Change Are Wrong

Climate change is real but it's not the end of the world. And increasingly extreme statements by activists undermine environmental progress, say climate scientists.

www.forbes.com

Why Climate Alarmism Hurts Us All

There is no scientific basis for the claim that climate change will be apocalyptic, but there is growing evidence that climate alarmism is contributing to rising anxiety and depression among teenagers.

www.forbes.com

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... then pause to consider that practically everyone we are hearing from sits somewhere to the left of the author.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I've said all I can without repeating myself and won't be contributing further thoughts. Will return to this thread at some future point when it becomes less hysterical.
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So, "I'm Taking my bat and my ball and going home." How many times did you ask me your your stupid question, including attempting to bait me with:

Was the question too difficult?

I respect your right to withdraw from the conversation, but I reserve my right to think you have engaged in bad faith.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Yep, that's how I see it too. So it's either a conspiracy or an adjustment of the data for a technical reason.

Any windowless planes seen near the convention centre?

Not doing my off-season PRE reputation of annoying the bejeasus out of my fellow posters any good. Maybe I need to take up another hobby?

 

[Baloo]

Not doing my off-season PRE reputation of annoying the bejeasus out of my fellow posters any good. Maybe I need to take up another hobby?

Dunno. PRE tradition seems to be a nice long off season debate on some topic. The 911 Conspiracy Theory thread is the benchmark that all other off season debates will be judged against. Not sure that will ever be topped.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Dunno. PRE tradition seems to be a nice long off season debate on some topic. The 911 Conspiracy Theory thread is the benchmark that all other off season debates will be judged against. Not sure that will ever be topped.

I still feel guilty about that one. I really do try not to get as aggitated and to avoid full-on baiting. I love the to-and-fro but I don't want to see any more PREers leave the site over some *smile* posted on a thread.

That said, there really do seem to be some parallels in this discussion.

 

[taztiger4]

You blokes certainly are passionate to keep this up for so long

Better men than me

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

How many times did you ask me your your stupid question, including attempting to bait me with

You deliberately avoided answering a straightforward question and went on an unrelated waffle. More than once.

You're the one that brought it up. Why not show some integrity and good faith and admit you called it wrong?

Where's your retraction of this goof? No apologies, no regrets.

Hypocrite.

I respect your right to withdraw from the conversation, but I reserve my right to think you have engaged in bad faith.

Of course I have a "right" to withdraw from the discussion. If you're really determined to worry yourself sick over the climate boogieman, it's no skin off my bum. The last thing I want is another rosy3 situation.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I did like this picture.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

You deliberately avoided answering a straightforward question and went on an unrelated waffle. More than once.

No, I refused to play your semantic game. Notice you still haven't answered my straightforward question.

Where's your retraction of this goof? No apologies, no regrets.

Hypocrite.

Happy to. My bad. Oops. Regret is wasted. LIfe moves on, I misattributed a quote, I didn't kick your dog.

Of course I have a "right" to withdraw from the discussion. If you're really determined to worry yourself sick over the climate boogieman, it's no skin off my bum. The last thing I want is another rosy3 situation.

We are in furious agreement. Hurrah!

 

[HR]

I did like this picture.
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The road melted.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

For anyone still playing along at home here are some graphics that hopefully help to explain why some of the data needs to be read in context. One of the reasons the "HadCRUT" (Hadley Centre of the UK Meteorological office and the Climatic Research Unit) data seems to show so much deviation is because it is incomplete. If you look at the map on the right of the 1st graphic you should be able to see why scientists would be cautious when extrapolating or generalising from that particular dataset. Not some whacky conspiracy, just a dataset that is accurate only in the regions of the globe it covers. That means it is prone to missing out on any trends that may be occuring in the Arctic and Antarctic, ditto the 2nd map. The 2nd and 3rd graphics show that these regions have indeed seen greater warming in recent years, something that HadCRUT/NCDC (National Climatic Data Center ) can't "see" (except in spots, if you look closely you can see that the few isolated measuring stations do seem to confirm this). I got these graphics from "Skeptical Science" but they are not the source, the source is the actual data.








The point being that far from a cabal of climate warriors out to hoodwink everyone into buying an electric car, researchers discovered some anomalies in their data and set about trying to find out why. They realised that some of the data they were getting would contain implicit biases if extrapolated over the whole globe to produce an average. The average would be inaccurate for reasons that I hope these graphics make obvious. I hope also that anyone reading my posts would be honest enough to concede that I haven't done much ranting or raving or catastrophising. I do think there is a serious problem and that it affects so huge and complex a system - and one that we all rely on - so we must take it seriously.

sources:

GISTEMP: Cool or Uncool?

There are three main versions of the instrumental temperature record, HadCRUT3 from the UK meteorological office, GISTEMP from NASA, and the NCDC dataset from NOAA. Of the three, HadCRUT3 shows the least warming over the last 15 years, and GISTEMP shows the most. The difference is quite striking:

skepticalscience.com

HadCRUT4: A detailed look

The Hadley Centre of the UK Meteorological office and the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia have since 1989 jointly maintained a global surface temperature record, HadCRUT. The current version of this record, HadCRUT3, is very widely cited in the academic literature...

skepticalscience.com

 

[Giardiasis]

I did like this picture.
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Can you find one where it is burnt to the ground? That would be much better.

 

[Tigers of Old]

So today Melbourne is dirty brown from a dust storm overnight..
Just keeps coming.

 

[Tigers of Old]

"What good is all the extra wealth in the world gained from business as usual if you can do nothing with it except watch it burn in catastrophic conditions," he added.

Royal calls on World Leaders to take immediate action on climate change

 

[MD Jazz]

"What good is all the extra wealth in the world gained from business as usual if you can do nothing with it except watch it burn in catastrophic conditions," he added.

Won't that depend on where you live?

These sort of ridiculous, exaggerated statements add nothing to the discussion. They likely serve to alienate people.

 

[Baloo]

So today Melbourne is dirty brown from a dust storm overnight..
Just keeps coming.

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Looks like they are remaking the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

 

[Baloo]

"What good is all the extra wealth in the world gained from business as usual if you can do nothing with it except watch it burn in catastrophic conditions," he added.

Royal calls on World Leaders to take immediate action on climate change

You know, it does make you think especially after the recent headline about the world's 26 richest people:

The growing concentration of the world’s wealth has been highlighted by a report showing that the 26 richest billionaires own as many assets as the 3.8 billion people who make up the poorest half of the planet’s population.

 

[tigerman]

"What good is all the extra wealth in the world gained from business as usual if you can do nothing with it except watch it burn in catastrophic conditions," he added.

Royal calls on World Leaders to take immediate action on climate change

I bet the Royal family doesn’t sell all of their mining shares. The Queen is said to be the biggest non institutional shareholder of Rio Tinto in the world.

 

[Baloo]

I bet the Royal family doesn’t sell all of their mining shares. The Queen is said to be the biggest non institutional shareholder of Rio Tinto in the world.

The Crown Estate is also big investors into renewable energy in the UK. Wind and Tidal power being a massive earner for them

 

[tigerman]

The Crown Estate is also big investors into renewable energy in the UK. Wind and Tidal power being a massive earner for them

Yes, a very broad portfolio, including British Petroleum and Royal Dutch Shell.