Global Warming

[DavidSSS]

Wow, why would one be anti ScoMo on climate?

Let's see, the world is warming, the impact is already being felt, it is a major threat to our way of life.

Australia is in a great position to be a clean energy powerhouse as we have the land, the sun, the wind, the tides etc to be making renewable energy and exporting it everywhere.

Yet ScoMo wants to subsidise gas and coal, wants to force the banks to finance gas and coal.

Gee, why would one be critical of ScoMo?

This country under the leadership of Chairman ScoMo can't even talk the talk let alone actually do anything positive.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Let's see, the world is warming, the impact is already being felt, it is a major threat to our way of life.

Yeah and if we all p!ss together we can put out bushfires. The UN just wants to make us poor, they've said so plenty of times. And corona's done a fair job of that. We'll get there in our own good time. Don't need to be pushed into a one-size-fits-all pipedream.

 

[DavidSSS]

Yeah and if we all p!ss together we can put out bushfires. The UN just wants to make us poor, they've said so plenty of times. And corona's done a fair job of that. We'll get there in our own good time. Don't need to be pushed into a one-size-fits-all pipedream.

Nice conspiracy there Lee, but no credibility.

We are the world's 2nd biggest exporter of coal, we're not some small fry pissing on a bushfire, we are a very big part of the problem.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

We are the world's 2nd biggest exporter of coal, we're not some small fry pissing on a bushfire, we are a very big part of the problem.

Nobody's forcing other countries to build coal-fired power stations or buy our coal.

 

[DavidSSS]

Nobody is forcing us to dig up the coal and flog it.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Nobody is forcing us to dig up the coal and flog it.

China didn't seek a coal supply guarantee from us before they embarked on hundreds of new coal power stations. Russia has greater recoverable coal reserves than we do. They'll get it from somewhere.

 

[DavidSSS]

2020 isn't over yet and there have been some reductions in emissions, but, as an article on Yale Climate Connections states:

As a result of restrictions taken to curb the coronavirus pandemic, carbon emissions to the atmosphere in 2020 declined by 9 to 10% in the U.S. and 6 to 7% globally, although some of those reductions were offset by carbon released by wildfires. Those are the largest annual carbon emissions declines since World War II and far more than the 1% global and 6% U.S. emissions drops brought about by the 2008 Great Recession.


Nevertheless, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels rose by 2.6 parts per million from 2019 to 414 ppm in 2020. The amount of carbon in the atmosphere will not decline until human emissions reach net zero. Moreover, as coronavirus restrictions were lifted during 2020, global carbon pollution nearly rebounded to pre-COVID levels.

Yep, we keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere, even at a reduced rate, the CO2 levels keep rising. Maybe a little slower, but still rising.

Full article here: https://yaleclimateconnections.org/...-and-climate-events-of-a-record-setting-year/

Looks like 2020 is likely to be a tie for the hottest year since we started measuring temperatures too, which makes the last 7 years, the 7 hottest on record.

Climate change is happening now, the impact is happening now - this will just get worse if we continue to dig up and burn fossil fuels.

DS

 

[Althom]

China didn't seek a coal supply guarantee from us before they embarked on hundreds of new coal power stations. Russia has greater recoverable coal reserves than we do. They'll get it from somewhere.

..... and it will be significantly worse in quality that what we sell them.
Thus increasing pollution but China doesn't care about that.
We could stop mining and exporting coal tomorrow and the only results would be increased pollution and +50k Australians added to the unemployment queue.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Whatr we really should be doing is putting the brakes on population growth, for all sorts of reasons of which demand for coal is a minor one. But how to go about it?

 

[Giardiasis]

Whatr we really should be doing is putting the brakes on population growth, for all sorts of reasons of which demand for coal is a minor one. But how to go about it?

You first.

 

[Giardiasis]

I've said many times the CCP is evil, but I don't have to resort to racism to make that point. I also see late capitalism as screwing the planet, and China is as capitalistic as anyone - probably more so.

WTF is late capitalism?

 

[antman]

"In modern usage, late capitalism often refers to a new mix of high-tech advances, the concentration of (speculative) financial capital, Post-Fordism, and a growing gap between rich and poor"

 

[Giardiasis]

"In modern usage, late capitalism often refers to a new mix of high-tech advances, the concentration of (speculative) financial capital, Post-Fordism, and a growing gap between rich and poor"

How late can late capitialism get? How is it different from just normal capitialism?

 

[antman]

How late can late capitialism get? How is it different from just normal capitialism?

Good question. It was being used as far back as the early 20th century - some called it "latest stage capitalism" as opposed to "late stage capitalism".

Late stage capitalism is what we see now... large corporates that are multinational and in many ways more powerful than governments. Increasing wealth concentration at the top. Small businesses making way for the big. Massive wealth transfers in the digital space. transfer of manufacturing and some knowledge work to developing countries.

I'd also highlight rampant consumerism, breakdown of unions/ workers rights, and rapidly accelerating environmental destruction.

 

[DavidSSS]

I think "Late" Capitalism is a term which is mis-named. Yes, capitalism has been around a long time and has gone through a few periods which have different features, but we don't know how long it will last.

The other aspect to this is the rise of the importance of the finance industry which has a larger role in the economy than it has had in the past, and hence more power.

Of course, the market failure of climate change may well see capitalism replaced by something else sooner rather than later, we'll see although societal change tends not to be quick so maybe we won't see.

DS

 

[Giardiasis]

Late stage capitalism is what we see now... large corporates that are multinational and in many ways more powerful than governments. Increasing wealth concentration at the top. Small businesses making way for the big. Massive wealth transfers in the digital space. transfer of manufacturing and some knowledge work to developing countries.

I'd also highlight rampant consumerism, breakdown of unions/ workers rights, and rapidly accelerating environmental destruction.

Does it ever end? What can we look forward to?

 

[Tigers of Old]

As an aside, hi Blofeld. You should post something.

Blofield posts plenty here.

 

[antman]

Blofield posts plenty here.

Oh, what's his alias? The same guy who's posts he always likes?

 

[Tigers of Old]

Oh, what's his alias? The same guy who's posts he always likes?

After a while cheerleading yourself it kind of gives away who you are.

 

[antman]

After a while cheerleading yourself it kind of gives away who you are.

Sad.