Say what you want about Greta Thunberg but this is soo good.
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Global Warming
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Spot on.
37 is a usually summers day in country Vic...not classified as hot.
The other day my wife was getting emergency Vic messages saying dangerous weather, keep cool, seek cooler climate blah blah blah.
We just laughed.
I guess it is for Melbourne.
Maybe I'm wrong, back in country Vic it wasn't really considered hot until 40, or a cold night wasn't cold until it hit minus.
Anyway.
Its what you get used to though. Living in country Vic you get used to hotter temperatures. Here in Melbourne 37 is abnormally hot so we're not used to it. If you're from say Scandinavia then it would seem even hotter.
Yeah, I’d imagine you’re not out running marathons by choice in 37 degrees. Most exercise would be done at dawn or in the evening to avoid the heat of the day.
But every day life kind of just goes on.
I lived in Central Australia for a long time. Yes, life guys on, but 37 is hot anywhere, and anyone saying it isn't is talking nonsense.
Again shows a clear pattern of criminality with high profile RWNJs.
Keeping his form line up spreading misinformation whether he believes it or not (I'm probably being too generous here though) - certainly knows how to play to his audience and generate media attention.
sports.yahoo.com
Trump asks ‘what happened to global warming’ after deadly Buffalo storm
The former president continues to show no understanding of how the climate crisis works
Lots of people roaming around with wet arses, cars floating down the street. Yep. That's pretty normal vision for a flood.
Yeah - and the alt-right consistently accuse the left of "grooming" children - this guy and his brother literally groomed sixteen year old girls, texting and messaging them, but of course this is all a left-wing beat up for the fans of these criminals.
It’s a good question. Not sure what any Realistic answer is though without leveraging the systems already in place. You aren’t going to remove capitalism with the click of a button.
260mm of water in 8 hours is not normal. It was Auckland's wettest day on record & an entire summer's worth of rain in one day. But yeah be flippant.
where did you get centuries? When feudalism out lived its usefulness the transition was fairly quick
In Europe it took from the 1500s until the 1850s for feudalism to be completely eliminated.
Your historical knowledge is about on par with your pro-Russian hot takes.
Adamski, I have some sympathy with what you are saying and you are correct that capitalism is the only socio-economic system which has put the planet in peril.
But one thing you always have to look at is the actual history of what happened. Surely as someone who is clearly interested in societal change you should avoid glib and overly simplistic analysis of previous societal change.
The way society changes from one system to another is a huge question, especially for those of us who are not satisfied with capitalism. Not to mention that change on such a level involves changing just about everything. So, apart from looking at the current context which is different to when Feudalism shifted to Capitalism, we also need to look at examples of attempted change.
On the topic of the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism, it is important to remember that it took hundreds of years for the preconditions of such a transformation to play out. I can suggest reading the 3 Volume Civilisation and Capitalism 15th-18th centuries by Braudel, I am 1 volume in, in between other books. What this shows is that the transition was far from quick. You will notice the time period he covers starts well before the rise of capitalism from the 17th century. Add to that the time it took. In England you could say capitalism was beginning to be the main economic system from the late 17th century, we usually point to 1789 for France, similar timing for a lot of Western Europe, Eastern Europe later. Plus, you cannot just look at capitalism as a static system, compare mercantalist capitalism to the neo-liberal version we have now. Compare Adam Smith's citing of self-interest and sympathy as motivations for human behaviour against rational choice theories today. The system adapts, as Marx would tell you, this is a big feature of capitalism.
Then you can look at the attempts to move beyond capitalism, especially the attempts at socialism. Given my politics, you can look for previous posts if you want to find out, it was little surprise to me that an attempt to move beyond capitalism by transitioning from private property to state property led to what was effectively bureaucratic or state capitalism. In any case, it was an abject failure which led to authoritarian regimes. The promise of socialism is better than what the former socialist regimes delivered, but it remains a fact that when the attempt was made to transition to socialism it led to authoritarianism.
But I have digressed too far.
Marx would tell you that capitalism is the most adaptable system we have ever had. Is it adaptable enough to change in such a way as to stop climate change? On balance I think not. The driver of capitalism is constant expansion. As David Attenborough once observed: Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth in a finite environment is either a madman or an economist.
How we change the system and what we change it to are huge questions, with many answers, I'll leave it to Malatesta: We anarchists do not want to emancipate the people; we want the people to emancipate themselves.
DS
But one thing you always have to look at is the actual history of what happened. Surely as someone who is clearly interested in societal change you should avoid glib and overly simplistic analysis of previous societal change.
The way society changes from one system to another is a huge question, especially for those of us who are not satisfied with capitalism. Not to mention that change on such a level involves changing just about everything. So, apart from looking at the current context which is different to when Feudalism shifted to Capitalism, we also need to look at examples of attempted change.
On the topic of the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism, it is important to remember that it took hundreds of years for the preconditions of such a transformation to play out. I can suggest reading the 3 Volume Civilisation and Capitalism 15th-18th centuries by Braudel, I am 1 volume in, in between other books. What this shows is that the transition was far from quick. You will notice the time period he covers starts well before the rise of capitalism from the 17th century. Add to that the time it took. In England you could say capitalism was beginning to be the main economic system from the late 17th century, we usually point to 1789 for France, similar timing for a lot of Western Europe, Eastern Europe later. Plus, you cannot just look at capitalism as a static system, compare mercantalist capitalism to the neo-liberal version we have now. Compare Adam Smith's citing of self-interest and sympathy as motivations for human behaviour against rational choice theories today. The system adapts, as Marx would tell you, this is a big feature of capitalism.
Then you can look at the attempts to move beyond capitalism, especially the attempts at socialism. Given my politics, you can look for previous posts if you want to find out, it was little surprise to me that an attempt to move beyond capitalism by transitioning from private property to state property led to what was effectively bureaucratic or state capitalism. In any case, it was an abject failure which led to authoritarian regimes. The promise of socialism is better than what the former socialist regimes delivered, but it remains a fact that when the attempt was made to transition to socialism it led to authoritarianism.
But I have digressed too far.
Marx would tell you that capitalism is the most adaptable system we have ever had. Is it adaptable enough to change in such a way as to stop climate change? On balance I think not. The driver of capitalism is constant expansion. As David Attenborough once observed: Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth in a finite environment is either a madman or an economist.
How we change the system and what we change it to are huge questions, with many answers, I'll leave it to Malatesta: We anarchists do not want to emancipate the people; we want the people to emancipate themselves.
DS
