Nah, he has less original ideas than any Doctor of Doom.
TM's solution is to do nothing. It really is pathetic. Not worth arguing with his gibberish.
DS
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Nah, he has less original ideas than any Doctor of Doom.
TM's solution is to do nothing. It really is pathetic. Not worth arguing with his gibberish.
DS
Back to????? Never went away in the first place.
Simply see what's happening and what we've been doing for all of our existence n accept that yep, we're *smile* knuckles n we're still seriously *smile* things up, so be it.
Others keep frantically running around screaming n gibbering that we can save the world from ourselves n get all horrified that everything we do simply sinks us deeper in the shitter n then get even more distraught about the stinking mess we're burying ourselves under by flapping ever more desperately.
So what's your latest planet saving brain fart all about then Triple S? Pointless wasting your time arguing with or commenting about me, so surely by now you've enacted and passed on to the appropriate enablers some of your well informed, intellectual n highly intelligent you beaut strategies to save the world from us.
Lol
To me it’s a miserable way to look at the world, without hope, but I hope you are content in doing it.
Hand wringing acheives nothingz but science denialism of the type you practice makes things worse. I suppose sitting at home saying everything is *smile*, always has been and always will be is a type of philosophy but not one I choose to follow.
I think TM's POV is pretty valid, and I share a lot of it.
we're stuffed; the horse has bolted; humans are a plague on the planet.
as individuals we're helpless and powerless, but not blameless.
greed (capitalism) got us into this mess, and there are three solutions I see
1. for the first time in history, humans band together and go altruistic in solidarity and halve their consumption over night (may minimise impacts)
2. for the first time in human history, we get a benevolent global dictator who forces us to halve our consumption overnight (may minimise impacts)
3. for the first time in human history, 50% of the population is wiped out over night (may minimise impacts)
thats a lot of firsts, and they need to happen yesterday, and then its too late.
the campaign to undermine faith in science was too effective; we ignored it for 50+ years,
cause as a species, we are unsophisticated, greedy, and unable to truly act collectively.
I think I diverge from TM in that I think we can and should individually take action to mitigate the effects of climate change.
if a huge violent brawl erupts at the footy, we dont go 'I'm powerless to stop that, so I'll join in'
It seems to have gone a bit more bearable in here and in politics with a couple of posters going quiet?
I suggest taking the opportunity for a re-set and explore differing VP's as productively as possible?
we're stuffed; the horse has bolted; humans are a plague on the planet.
as individuals we're helpless and powerless, but not blameless.
greed (capitalism) got us into this mess, and there are three solutions I see
1. for the first time in history, humans band together and go altruistic in solidarity and halve their consumption over night (may minimise impacts)
2. for the first time in human history, we get a benevolent global dictator who forces us to halve our consumption overnight (may minimise impacts)
3. for the first time in human history, 50% of the population is wiped out over night (may minimise impacts)
thats a lot of firsts, and they need to happen yesterday, and then its too late.
the campaign to undermine faith in science was too effective; we ignored it for 50+ years,
cause as a species, we are unsophisticated, greedy, and unable to truly act collectively.
I think I diverge from TM in that I think we can and should individually take action to mitigate the effects of climate change.
if a huge violent brawl erupts at the footy, we dont go 'I'm powerless to stop that, so I'll join in'
It seems to have gone a bit more bearable in here and in politics with a couple of posters going quiet?
I suggest taking the opportunity for a re-set and explore differing VP's as productively as possible?
TM's view on Climate Change is the like the US view on gun control. Yeah, it would be good to have gun control but it's too late, everyone has guns, and trying to stop them will result in the good guys being defenceless.
It's a cop out. Unwillingness to make hard decisions that will have some personal negative consequences.
It's a cop out. Unwillingness to make hard decisions that will have some personal negative consequences.
Pretty sure there's been a few of those science is fantastic opinionators on here also admit that the " scientists " often cheat on their exam papers.
Where am I denying science????
Firstly there's a whole lot of science that has varying versions of what's actually going on and what the fix might be for the problem. Then there's an abundance of proof that massive amounts of the famed and wondrous science behind so many of humanities achievements over our history. Prove to be nothing more than world destroying toxic bombs 20 or 30 years later. Yet there's always a noisy n mocking cabal of hand wringing planet saving experts desperately howling for someone to invent some sort of new n improved technology that will magically make all the mess we've made suddenly disappear so we can all live happily ever after.
Yeah / Nah wishful dreamin with a handful of chubby, but hey, don't mind me go out n enjoy yourself livin in fantasy land.
We get Witch Doctors, Shamans n Magic men.
We get Priests n Mullahs.
We get elected local Gov'ts, appointed world Govts n Dictators.
We get Entrepreneurs, Tech Guru's n mega Business Conglomerates.
All of them nothing more or less than power n control of the billions of plebs shuffling around in circles.
This is tedious as *smile* and is why I seldom participate in this thread any more but ok, let's go through what we can actually do to mitigate climate change as individuals since that's what we are. All of these things I've mentioned before as practical actions so anyone that claims I'm just a lefty hand-wringer can go *smile* themselves.
Note that we are in mitigation now - too late to turn things around, but rather than descend into nihilistic negativity and pathetic handwavey inertia like our sad conservative denialist friend here let's take some positive actions.
These are all things that I try to do to a greater or lesser extent so again, do-nothing keyboard warriors can GGF.
1. reduce consumption and energy usage in the home, install solar, invest in heat pump tech. Turn lights off, run aircon/heating at a reasonable temp.
2. travel less and use public transport and greener options like public transport. Walk more and cycle more - also good for you.
3. fly less, travel internationally less
4. Consume less fast food in particular franchises like McD and KFC which are more GG intensive. Eat locally produced healthy foods where possible, also this is better for you
5. vote for politicians that actually are committed to mitigation actions. Admittedly this is one where choices are limited as the economic and political systems make meaningful change hard. But we can try.
6. Last one and the most important one that has the greatest potential, and it's the one that you really have no excuse not to do if you accept that we need to change things - invest ethically and in sustainable industries. One example - my super fund only invests in ethical and sustainable industries and avoids oil and gas, miltech, environmentally damaging industries and so on
Oh, but I'll lose money you say? Bullcrap - this was the second best performing fund in Australia last year.
So there are things we can do right now and just like your refusal to accept science you also refuse to actually look at things that we can do even as individuals to start to make positive change.
I don't expect to change your (or anyone's) mind on this as we know arguing on the internet is the most futile of all pursuits, but at least you'll not have the excuse that there's nothing we can do so it's ok to sit on your fat arse moaning and whinging about everything.
Have a great weekend though
Note that we are in mitigation now - too late to turn things around, but rather than descend into nihilistic negativity and pathetic handwavey inertia like our sad conservative denialist friend here let's take some positive actions.
These are all things that I try to do to a greater or lesser extent so again, do-nothing keyboard warriors can GGF.
1. reduce consumption and energy usage in the home, install solar, invest in heat pump tech. Turn lights off, run aircon/heating at a reasonable temp.
2. travel less and use public transport and greener options like public transport. Walk more and cycle more - also good for you.
3. fly less, travel internationally less
4. Consume less fast food in particular franchises like McD and KFC which are more GG intensive. Eat locally produced healthy foods where possible, also this is better for you
5. vote for politicians that actually are committed to mitigation actions. Admittedly this is one where choices are limited as the economic and political systems make meaningful change hard. But we can try.
6. Last one and the most important one that has the greatest potential, and it's the one that you really have no excuse not to do if you accept that we need to change things - invest ethically and in sustainable industries. One example - my super fund only invests in ethical and sustainable industries and avoids oil and gas, miltech, environmentally damaging industries and so on
Oh, but I'll lose money you say? Bullcrap - this was the second best performing fund in Australia last year.
So there are things we can do right now and just like your refusal to accept science you also refuse to actually look at things that we can do even as individuals to start to make positive change.
I don't expect to change your (or anyone's) mind on this as we know arguing on the internet is the most futile of all pursuits, but at least you'll not have the excuse that there's nothing we can do so it's ok to sit on your fat arse moaning and whinging about everything.
Have a great weekend though
Thanks @AngryAnt. Saved me from typing something very similar.
You do some of this, I.e. point 1 (install solar, heat pump, etc.) and then you chat to neighbours and energy costs get compared and then they one by one start doing the same. It's how we change things. Not in one big sweep but bite by bite. Just like how you eat an elephant, one mouthful at a time.
You do some of this, I.e. point 1 (install solar, heat pump, etc.) and then you chat to neighbours and energy costs get compared and then they one by one start doing the same. It's how we change things. Not in one big sweep but bite by bite. Just like how you eat an elephant, one mouthful at a time.
I agree Antsy,
and maybe a couple of them will happened in Northcote, Marrickville and West End.
but have you been to Western Sydney lately? Sorrento? Cotteslloe? Northern Melbourne outer burbs?
and thats just Australia.
its pretty much the opposite happening, and gaining momentum. The rich getting richer and consuming more, and the middle class trying to get rich before the end.
we'll vote Dutton in, because the majority of people dont want any change.
and I dont think enough humans are willing to consume significantly less, but that shouldn't stop some of us trying.
someone I know got an 'Uber enema' in their home the other day: got on their phone, in australia and someone from the brown person slave class came around and cleaned out their *smile*, probably for $5.
Its end days.
But I hear you
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Haaarrgh bloody hell. Old farts been doing plenty of that *smile* for most of his life already. Did I save the planet yet????? Nah, doesn't look like it, it's still fairly *smile*. Come on you lot, need some *smile* help here if we're gunna save the planet before knock off time.This is tedious as *smile* and is why I seldom participate in this thread any more but ok, let's go through what we can actually do to mitigate climate change as individuals since that's what we are. All of these things I've mentioned before as practical actions so anyone that claims I'm just a lefty hand-wringer can go *smile* themselves.
Note that we are in mitigation now - too late to turn things around, but rather than descend into nihilistic negativity and pathetic handwavey inertia like our sad conservative denialist friend here let's take some positive actions.
These are all things that I try to do to a greater or lesser extent so again, do-nothing keyboard warriors can GGF.
1. reduce consumption and energy usage in the home, install solar, invest in heat pump tech. Turn lights off, run aircon/heating at a reasonable temp.
2. travel less and use public transport and greener options like public transport. Walk more and cycle more - also good for you.
3. fly less, travel internationally less
4. Consume less fast food in particular franchises like McD and KFC which are more GG intensive. Eat locally produced healthy foods where possible, also this is better for you
5. vote for politicians that actually are committed to mitigation actions. Admittedly this is one where choices are limited as the economic and political systems make meaningful change hard. But we can try.
6. Last one and the most important one that has the greatest potential, and it's the one that you really have no excuse not to do if you accept that we need to change things - invest ethically and in sustainable industries. One example - my super fund only invests in ethical and sustainable industries and avoids oil and gas, miltech, environmentally damaging industries and so on
Oh, but I'll lose money you say? Bullcrap - this was the second best performing fund in Australia last year.
So there are things we can do right now and just like your refusal to accept science you also refuse to actually look at things that we can do even as individuals to start to make positive change.
I don't expect to change your (or anyone's) mind on this as we know arguing on the internet is the most futile of all pursuits, but at least you'll not have the excuse that there's nothing we can do so it's ok to sit on your fat arse moaning and whinging about everything.
Have a great weekend though
I've posted before about the frustration of denialism over the decades.
- There is no climate change
- There might be climate change
- Okay, there is climate change, but humans aren't causing it.
- Okay, humans might be causing some of it.
-Okay, climate change is happening, and humans are driving it, but I'm too old to care about it, and it's too late anyway.
The last point is just as wrong as the first.
And annoyingly, the more jaded climate action proponents have been dragged in with them.
Yes, climate action is happening too late, and too minimally. But it's better than nothing. Climate change is not binary. A bit is bad for us. A moderate amount is really bad. A lot is extremely bad. A catastrophic amount is catastrophic.
Despite the fact that we can't confirm it for a while, we've passed 1.5 degrees. That's bad. But 2 degrees is worse. 2.5 degrees is worse than that, and so on.
And the things we do are actually making a difference. Individuals investing in rooftop solar has has a massive impact on global emissions. Our actions make a difference. Industry decarbonisation has made a difference. Our influence makes a difference.
As always, the single biggest threat is our indifference.
I am not indifferent to Climate change & its forecasted results to our Planet earth but I do not see any change since it rose some twenty odd years ago. Water level in Sydney Harbour has not risen as had the water in Cockburn Sound WA where I stroll nearly every. Well when will it happen ?.
30 second Google search found the following: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-sydney-harbor-rising-data-shows/10555953002/
There are many more scientific postings highlighting rising sea levels. And I see the evidence at my local beach.
The first sentence is more correct than you realise.
Remember, capitalism is at most 400 years old.
For most of human history we have lived in communities which do band together in solidarity. Many human societies see their relationship to the environment as one of custodians, not exploiters. This system had to be created, capitalism would not exist if not for massive interventions by governments to create the conditions to allow it to work - property laws radically changed, intellectual property was invented, common property was expropriated, markets shifted their focus from exchange to competition, etc.
It is not true that human history is a history of rampant individualism and driven solely by greed, that is a recent, and unsustainable, phenomenon.
DS
Yep this is the proof and climate denier should look at to know it is real.
Insurance is a very competitive market I reckon. If prices are going up it’s because more policies are being collected on.
Point taken.
And although *smile* s have probably always ascended to power in a shakespearean fashion
Im sure indigenous and ethnic minorities probably still have relatively low carbon footprints to this day?
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