Good by PP. Good by the tank.

[Baloo]

Reading this thread has really highlighted something I have suspected for a while.

Those "darksiders", for want of a better term as they really are the true ferals, claim to "KNOW" what's best, claim to have the true vision of the only true solution, resort to personal attacks, personal remarks and for the most part attack the man

"Brightsiders" are happy to play the ball, debate the topic, admit there are other possibilities, don't claim to "KNOW" what the only solution for the club is and stick to the topic, not the man.

I thought it was an interesting observation.

 

[linuscambridge]

Reading this thread has really highlighted something I have suspected for a while.

Those "darksiders", for want of a better term as they really are the true ferals, claim to "KNOW" what's best, claim to have the true vision of the only true solution, resort to personal attacks, personal remarks and for the most part attack the man

"Brightsiders" are happy to play the ball, debate the topic, admit there are other possibilities, don't claim to "KNOW" what the only solution for the club is and stick to the topic, not the man.

I thought it was an interesting observation.

Exactly! And isn't "deluded" just the word of the day. Cmon people, use your imagination, if I hear the words "tank", "dud", or "deluded" any more today I am off to Big Footy to try and raise the tone of the conversation.

The most ridiculous thing about this thread is that the priority pick was just never going to happen. As hard as we tried to lose, both WC and Melbourne are both even more crap than Richmond and they have way more motivation to lose (a PP at the start of the draft).

We would have had to lose to either WC or Melbourne in the later part of the second round which is just impossible when they are so crap and have so much to lose for. It's like trying to win against Geelong or the Saints, they are both just too good. The Demons and WC are just too bad, and I'm not even convinced the Demons are trying to tank!

So lets just move on now, nothing to see here thanks.

 

[TOT70]

Deliberately losing games of football is wrong.

It doesn't matter what the rewards are, it doesn't matter who else is doing it, it doesn't matter if you have done it before, it doesn't matter if you are tempted to do it again, it doesn't matter if it is the best way to rebuild a team, it doesn't matter if people call you names if you don't do it, it doesn't matter if it is easy to do, it doesn't matter if you are only bending rules that have been put in place by nimrods with their heads up their backsides.

It doesn't matter because it is wrong.

It is wrong.

W.R.O.N.G.

Deliberately losing games of football reflects a complete lack of integrity, moral fibre and attacks the true spirit of the game.

Two teams face off against each other, lock together in a fierce contest and push themselves and each other to the limit. That is what sport is about.

 

[Liverpool]

Lol, yes Liverpull yr the only one that goes to the games, give me a break !! Can you tell me who in the media has been raving on abt the bombers maybe I'm missing something ? Still meaningless where I come from, cos if we were to make the finals & had to win I garantee you we would of lost that game it has been happening for a while !!

I'll put my bottom dollar on it that any true Richmond fan who went to the Kangaroos/Essendon games in the last 2 weeks could not help but cheer on their team and hope they got over the line for a win.
There is no way if you are emotional and passionate about the club that you could sit there at the MCG amongst the Richmond fans and hope/cheer on the opposition teams in those close games because it might cost us a draft pick.
And if youd did, then your heart isn't in it to begin with.

Just do a Google on the Bombers and you'll come across some articles on how exciting and fast they are with their attacking brand of footy.
More than happy to post some links later today when I have more time if you are unable to find them yourself.

And its not "meaningless"....tell that to the young players.
It *smile* me that 'fans' like yourself moan and whine about mediocrity and the culture at the club...yet when we do try and change things and we have a young group of kids get a win, then all I read is the same moaning.
For the culture to change and for us to try and build something new with this younger list...then we have to win games.

Why damage that by manufacturing losses....don't you think we have lost enough games over the years and had draft picks in the past, and where are we still?
How about we win as many games as we can regardless of draft picks we may get or may miss out on...and try and build some comraderie and sense of TEAM amongst this young group of players?

 

[Harry]

lol - is this the same liverpool that moans and complains on the english premier league thread that poor liverpool can't compete with the likes of chelsea and manchester united because liverpool can't afford to purchase as many quality players? you need quality and depth to compete, and in afl the only way to add quality and depth is via the draft via high picks, yet you wanna sacrifice this for a few meaningless wins.

 

[iLoVeNeWmAn]

The PP is gone people...get over it! We stuffed up any chance we had of a PP vs north 2 weeks ago...forget about the essendon game - with melb and w.c.e, not to mention syd coming up - we were always going to win another game and effectively end our PP chances...

Close thread...

 

[dimmauchump]

lol - is this the same liverpool that moans and complains on the english premier league thread that poor liverpool can't compete with the likes of chelsea and manchester united because liverpool can't afford to purchase as many quality players? you need quality and depth to compete, and in afl the only way to add quality and depth is via the draft via high picks, yet you wanna sacrifice this for a few meaningless wins.

Harry, don't forget all those meaningless Liverpool wins at the end of each year when the title has already been wrapped up!!! They have been winning those games for the past 3-4 years when it has been to late in the season to win the title, and each time they believe they are getting closer to the title, Man Utd and Chelsea go out and buy another World class player(s) and its groundhog day. Same concept with Richmond just substitue the finances with draft picks. When will people realise that winning a few games at the end of the year when other teams are either tanking or just *smile*, will not all of a sudden make J.King Wayne Carey or JON Gary Ablett Snr.

 

[White Lightning]

lol - is this the same liverpool that moans and complains on the english premier league thread that poor liverpool can't compete with the likes of chelsea and manchester united because liverpool can't afford to purchase as many quality players? you need quality and depth to compete, and in afl the only way to add quality and depth is via the draft via high picks, yet you wanna sacrifice this for a few meaningless wins.

So what do you say about the Saints than Harry when you talk about quality of players. You ask any one (including Saints supporters) if they believe Gwilt, McQualter, Eddy, Dawson, Blake, Jones, Ray & Clarke are quality players. But now all of a sudden they've all stepped up and no longer considered list cloggers or fringe players. What has changed Harry? Is it the coaching Staff?? Is it their fitness base? Is it because they are maturing as players and gaining experience?

So what your saying in simple terms, is get the highest draft picks, put these kids straight in and we'll be a better team... Don't worry about all the other stuff, These kids will be elite purely on their talents... ???

 

[Liverpool]

So what do you say about the Saints than Harry when you talk about quality of players. You ask any one (including Saints supporters) if they believe Gwilt, McQualter, Eddy, Dawson, Blake, Jones, Ray & Clarke are quality players. But now all of a sudden they've all stepped up and no longer considered list cloggers or fringe players. What has changed Harry? Is it the coaching Staff?? Is it their fitness base? Is it because they are maturing as players and gaining experience?

So what your saying in simple terms, is get the highest draft picks, put these kids straight in and we'll be a better team... Don't worry about all the other stuff, These kids will be elite purely on their talents... ???

Spot on White Lightning! :clap

lol - is this the same liverpool that moans and complains on the english premier league thread that poor liverpool can't compete with the likes of chelsea and manchester united because liverpool can't afford to purchase as many quality players? you need quality and depth to compete, and in afl the only way to add quality and depth is via the draft via high picks, yet you wanna sacrifice this for a few meaningless wins.

Big difference in that clubs spend money on players that usually have a history.
For example, ManUre know what Owen is capable of at his best...Liverpool knew what they were going to get with Torres.
In AFL you are wanting to lose games, destroy the confidence and any comraderie on the young kids we do have all in the HOPE that we might spend our draft picks on young kids who MAY or MAY NOT turn out to be superstars.
Its a lottery.

And again...."meaningless win" to me is a win similar to the Hawthorn game last season where we beat them with a relatively experienced team and they were already cemented near the top of the ladder.

The win last weekend was against a team that was fighting for something and it was a Tiger team made up of mainly our younger brigade.
That to me isn't "meaningless"....its a step in the right direction.
I hope to see it again this weekend!

 

[johnson2richo2003]

This is what its all about:

http://bigpondvideo.com/richmondtv/195946


Compare the above to the reaction from Claw,Frawleydud,Harry and mates after our win last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ckQxmU9KM

 

[BrisTiger24]

This is what its all about:

http://bigpondvideo.com/richmondtv/195946
Compare the above to the reaction from Claw,Frawleydud,Harry and mates after our win last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ckQxmU9KM

LOL

In fairness to the pro-tankers, I always get a woody from watching a Richmond team sing the song, perspective is very easily lost!!! I must say, though, that it is refreshing watching the likes of Cotchin, Lids, Tambling, Jack leading the song rather than Richo, Simmonds, Johnson, Bowden etc

 

[Nico]

lol - is this the same liverpool that moans and complains on the english premier league thread that poor liverpool can't compete with the likes of chelsea and manchester united because liverpool can't afford to purchase as many quality players? you need quality and depth to compete, and in afl the only way to add quality and depth is via the draft via high picks, yet you wanna sacrifice this for a few meaningless wins.

What garbage

 

[Eat the rich]

Word you're looking for in the thread title is goodbye twit

Is claw really a frustrated Ronnie?

 

[Mr Brightside]

Can somebody post the Saints and Cats best 22s with relevent draft picks of the players.....just to see how important high picks are

 

[loto]

The AFL draft was introduced in 1986 and our performances since coincide with a period of sustained poor performance where we had the chance to pick the best players on offer.

As history shows we didn't pick the best players, we didn't improve, we continued to get high draft picks, we continued to pick the wrong players, we didn't improve, we continued to get high draft picks, .we didn't pick the best players....... :spin :spin :spin

The lesson surely out of this, tanking isn't an effective strategy.

We need to invest more resources in recruiment and development (which is finally occurring) and we need to be better list managers (early positive signs from the Blade and Craig Cameron).

Given the failure of our tanking strategies over the past 23 years, let's try something different - giving our kids a taste of winning, and putting more into recruiment and development.

Crazy idea.......

 

[dimmauchump]

The AFL draft was introduced in 1986 and our performances since coincide with a period of sustained poor performance where we had the chance to pick the best players on offer.

As history shows we didn't pick the best players, we didn't improve, we continued to get high draft picks, we continued to pick the wrong players, we didn't improve, we continued to get high draft picks, .we didn't pick the best players....... :spin :spin :spin

The lesson surely out of this, tanking isn't an effective strategy.

We need to invest more resources in recruiment and development (which is finally occurring) and we need to be better list managers (early positive signs from the Blade and Craig Cameron).

Given the failure of our tanking strategies over the past 23 years, let's try something different - giving our kids a taste of winning, and putting more into recruiment and development.

Crazy idea.......

Your post would have been valid if we actually used the draft system properly throughout those years. We NEVER bottomed out completely with a fresh start. We always tried the quick fix and in the process continually traded away our early picks for hacks like Hilton, Biddiscombe, Brown, Johnson, Morrison, Mcmahon etc. No coach had the balls to make the tougth calls and cull the mediocre players we carried for so many years, to be replaced with some young highly regarded talent. My point is that we finally had the chance this year to do such a thing, but we chose the old tiger way of winning a couple of games that dont count instead of trying our hardest to grab as many quality youngsters as possible. Agree about improving the recruitment and development though. Finally starting to feel confident about our recruiters and our development programs and resources.