- Nov 25, 2004
BR, your doing a scomo, and diverting from his greatest weakness, which just happens to be nothing upstairs.I'd like to see all the people who ever questioned his heart and courage come into the game as a beanpole draftee and head straight into the centre bounce in their first couple of seasons against the monsters in the opposition sides. No heart lacking in a kid who does that.
I was at the VFL prelim against the Hawks in 2017 and we were flogging them. Everyone had had a few cans and there were some mouthy hawks supporters rolling out the 'how crap are Richmond' gags' and how long since we won a premiership. It was just on the verge of getting ugly and one of the Tiger supporters shouted out "Yeah, but you took Vickery of us". Everyone cracked up and the situation was diffused. There was no come back to that sledge.BR, your doing a scomo, and diverting from his greatest weakness, which just happens to be nothing upstairs.
But his heart wasn't in the game.
I don't buy that at all. It's the same thing that comes at Chol now. Players move in a certain way or have a certain body language and people go straight to lacking effort.
I've seen plenty of player who struggle with total discipline and commitment off the field but I've seen very few that didn't have a crack once the ball was bounced. I think effort is a very misjudged characteristic in footballers.
Yeah, but then you don't rate a Jack Dyer Winner and Runner Up in Dan Jackson. Happy to disagree with you on this.
I don't dispute his effort though. My issue with Jackson was his use of the ball. The one thing I will wipe a player on is not being able to use the ball and he was atrocious in that regard. His kicking efficiency stats were hugely inflated by the CD loophole that credits you if you get it on the ground 40 metres away. At a certain point your ball use can be so bad that it doesn't matter what else you do well, it is still destructive for the side.
I also felt he got a massive good bloke discount on the rating of his performance. I'd have him with Andrew Kellaway as the only Jack Dyer medallists of the past 20 years who wouldn't play in our current side. If we had a 21 year-old Vickery kicking 36 goals on the current list we would be full of excitement.
That's where Dan was misunderstood. Much like Shane Edwards in the early years. Both those players had super high footy IQ and EQ. They were putting the ball where players should have been if they played to the game plan. Their team mates let them down.
Brilliant and Dan Jackson - now there’s a first. Let down by his teammates and high footy IQ? Even his most ardent supporters never talked in that language. Players do get better the longer they are retired though.That's where Dan was misunderstood. Much like Shane Edwards in the early years. Both those players had super high footy IQ and EQ. They were putting the ball where players should have been if they played to the game plan. Their team mates let them down. Dan quit, his body fairly beaten up. Sheds kept going and once the team around him caught up with his brilliance, the world stood up and noticed Sheds. Edwards was always brilliant, he was just being let down by his team mates. Jacko the same.
I can't see that at all I'm afraid. Edwards was always quicker than the game but in Jackson's case all I remember is him hacking the ball all over the place. Unless he expected his team mates to read scrubbers I just don't see it.
I am the first to admit I was hyper critical of him though.
I knew the old rusted on Jackson Haters wouldn't be able to resist jumping in.Edwards is one of the smartest, quick thinking players of his generation. Thought to execution in a flash.
Jackson was the polar opposite, slow by mind, slow to execute and bad decisions. But as brave as they come.
yes, I spoke with a Geelong supporter friend about it for the first time around Christmas, he hadn't been able to mention it before then !! He said that the reality for him was that he knew they were gone half way through the 3rd quarter.Interesting the amount of Geelong supporters I’ve spoken to who have said something along the lines of ,
Even though we were in front , never felt comfortable,
Feared Richmond would come at us hard at some stage and we might struggle to cope when it happens
yes, I spoke with a Geelong supporter friend about it for the first time around Christmas, he hadn't been able to mention it before then !! He said that the reality for him was that he knew they were gone half way through the 3rd quarter.