Grand Final Thread

[tiges]

Well done to Hawthorn.......I hope this puts to bed the rediculous statements that Geelongs team can be compared to the Mighty Brissy Side

:clap, couldnt agree more, all this blah blah about geelong being best all year! who cares they lost on the day it counts.
The afl doesent award clubs a prize for getting first its about the grand final.
Fact is geelong kicked bad and bad kicking = bad football.

 

[Willo]

:clap, couldnt agree more, all this blah blah about geelong being best all year! who cares they lost on the day it counts.
The afl doesent award clubs a prize for getting first its about the grand final.
Fact is geelong kicked bad and bad kicking = bad football.

They do, think its called the McClelland Cup.

 

[achillesjones]

Compared to Brisbane, Geelong's forward line looks like the Nar Nar Goon Thirds.

 

[billyb#40]

Compared to Brisbane, Geelong's forward line looks like the Nar Nar Goon Thirds.

History vs handbags, surprising how easy some people thought it would be to win multiple premierships.

 

[achillesjones]

I think they have shaken off the handbag tag Browny. Chapman, Rooke, Mooney, Scarlett, no prada there!

 

[tiges]

They do, think its called the McClelland Cup.

ok fair enough i wasnt aware there was such a thing the McClelland cup but im sure you get what im saying? Its about the one day in september grand final day.
If a cats fan came up to me tomorrow and said but we won the McCleeland cup i would say who cares. Who ever wins the grand final is the winner full stop imo, its not english premier league where first place at the end of the season on the ladder is the crowning glory.

Who cares if geelong were best all season, in the history books they get second and the dawks are the premier team in the comp for 2008.

 

[Dyer'ere]

did anyone else notice varcoe's lack of intensity for the loose ball . in paticular when he was running for a loose ball he just loped until he realised his opponent was beating him then he put in.

i thought he was supposed to have speed to burn.

Thank gawd we didn't take him, yellow and. ;D For us that draft was an embarrassment of lepers.

Well done to Hawthorn.......I hope this puts to bed the rediculous statements that Geelongs team can be compared to the Mighty Brissy Side

This is a very interesting proposition, CC. "New Bench" Mark "In Failure" Thomson did very much what Leigh would have done in the same circumstances - let's play our own game. But you and I know that if the other team's tactics are innovative they have to be taken into account. ANd hey, Leigh thinks he's lost touch and has taken a sabbatical.

My summary is that Mark Thompson is years behind reality. Man for man, if Geelong are well coached next year (very unlikely) they'll have Hawthorn dusting the cell in a G string.

On 2008, if Goliath is slain David is vulnerable. (You know the old yarn.) Anybody can win it.

 

[IanG]

Thank gawd we didn't take him, yellow and. ;D For us that draft was an embarrassment of lepers.

This is a very interesting proposition, CC. "New Bench" Mark "In Failure" Thomson did very much what Leigh would have done in the same circumstances - let's play our own game. But you and I know that if the other team's tactics are innovative they have to be taken into account. ANd hey, Leigh thinks he's lost touch and has taken a sabbatical.

Matthews knew how to structure a side better though. It wouldn't have mattered about Thompson's failures as a coach if they actually had a KPP able to kick goals. This was an obvious weakness even last year which they haven't addressed while waiting for Hawkins to mature. Lonergan isn't really a key forward he's a 3rd tall albeit taller than most 3rd options. Like I said in another post they probably need to play Hawkins in the seniors no matter what next year. Even then it looks like all their forward eggs are in the Hawkins basket.

 

[Willo]

ok fair enough i wasnt aware there was such a thing the McClelland cup but im sure you get what im saying? Its about the one day in september grand final day.
If a cats fan came up to me tomorrow and said but we won the McCleeland cup i would say who cares. Who ever wins the grand final is the winner full stop imo, its not english premier league where first place at the end of the season on the ladder is the crowning glory.

Who cares if geelong were best all season, in the history books they get second and the dawks are the premier team in the comp for 2008.

Spot on tiges. I and many others would agree with you. They can jam the McClelland Cup. Worthless, and a reminder of failure if you din't win the "granny"

 

[theScabman]

Firstly, what the heck are you doing on an internet forum, your team just won the biggest honor in football and your on an opposition forum? Geez mate, living life aren't you?

Secondly yes we have a couple of bad boys, like every club in the competition, but hardly in the same hemisphere as Hawthorn, but who really cares when you win a premiership.

Lastly, A lot of people on this forum can't give credit where credit is due, get used to it, thats life, I give a lot of credit to The Hawthorn Football Club.

Well done, now get the hell of a forum and get celebrating moron! ;D

Yeah, I had to drop in for 5 minutes before heading out to Glenferrie.
Was feeling the worse for wear at the time after a massive night, but was having a look around to see what some of the neutral supporters were saying about the game, as it's all a bit of blur to me.

But I had to make a comment....I just don't like this holier than thou attitude that some supporters have. The only difference between the club that has an 'injuction' upon it and the other 15 clubs in the league is that that one club had medical records made public. Because I can garantee that every other club in the league has or has had the same issues. They've just not been leaked to the media in such a scandalous way.
But enough about that.

For those who think Hawthorn were lucky to win. Well you have to take your chances don't you? but I advise you to watch that 3rd quarter and see the desperation of Williams and Dew as they dive on the ball, break tackles, scramble for the ball time and again, to score against an opposition outnumbering them. Then there's the crash and bash of Hodge and Guerra, Birchall, Sewell and Bateman.
We simply wanted it more.
And the 'wanting' to do it for Crawford should not be underestimated either. I took special note of the players who missed out running straight onto the ground to celebrate with Shane and the team.

And as for Croad managing to still involve himself in the contest after breaking his foot, well that's the sort of thing legends are made of.
I heard a North fan questioning how many players in his own side would do that...and how many would've just retreated to the boundary and the comfort of a blanket.

And Bob, don't worry, I'm fully aware of where I'm at, and so I don't expect many gracious posts on here. But I do note that there is some gold(I'm looking at you Rosy) in amongst the rubble who aren't totally blinded by the love of their own club.

 

[tiges]

Yeah, I had to drop in for 5 minutes before heading out to Glenferrie.
Was feeling the worse for wear at the time after a massive night, but was having a look around to see what some of the neutral supporters were saying about the game, as it's all a bit of blur to me.

But I had to make a comment....I just don't like this holier than thou attitude that some supporters have. The only difference between the club that has an 'injuction' upon it and the other 15 clubs in the league is that that one club had medical records made public. Because I can garantee that every other club in the league has or has had the same issues. They've just not been leaked to the media in such a scandalous way.
But enough about that.

For those who think Hawthorn were lucky to win. Well you have to take your chances don't you? but I advise you to watch that 3rd quarter and see the desperation of Williams and Dew as they dive on the ball, break tackles, scramble for the ball time and again, to score against an opposition outnumbering them. Then there's the crash and bash of Hodge and Guerra, Birchall, Sewell and Bateman.
We simply wanted it more.
And the 'wanting' to do it for Crawford should not be underestimated either. I took special note of the players who missed out running straight onto the ground to celebrate with Shane and the team.

And as for Croad managing to still involve himself in the contest after breaking his foot, well that's the sort of thing legends are made of.
I heard a North fan questioning how many players in his own side would do that...and how many would've just retreated to the boundary and the comfort of a blanket.

And Bob, don't worry, I'm fully aware of where I'm at, and so I don't expect many gracious posts on here. But I do note that there is some gold(I'm looking at you Rosy) in amongst the rubble who aren't totally blinded by the love of their own club.

Mate remmeber your on tigers website so you will haveto expect some throw back surely you would realise that? i certainly as a tiger supporter/member of 32 years wouldnt even bother going onto another clubs forum after winning another flag to post i would actually still be out celebrating the flag if it had come our way, i wouldnt care about the team that finished ninth that year!! i think hawthorn played well and they deserved to win it wasnt luck at all geelong kicked bad and that = bad football, i hate geelong so its no bother to me. People are allowed there opinions though and some people on here hate the hawtoron some dont.

But Dont be coming on our blog calling tigers supporters rubble because they diagree with you.

 

[Harry]

On 2008, if Goliath is slain David is vulnerable. (You know the old yarn.) Anybody can win it.

Agree. When you see guys like Ladson, Young, Renouf, Gilham, Osborne, Williams etc with medals around their neck, it should give everyone hope.

 

[seven]

Well done to Hawthorn.......I hope this puts to bed the rediculous statements that Geelongs team can be compared to the Mighty Brissy Side

Yes, you'll find Mark Bomb thompson bought that up. He felt his team could rival the Bris team.
What a fool, counted his chickens far too early.
If the guy's ego wasn't so big he wouldn't have waited until they won their 3rd cup straight before comparing sides.

 

[theScabman]

Mate remmeber your on tigers website so you will haveto expect some throw back surely you would realise that? i certainly as a tiger supporter/member of 32 years wouldnt even bother going onto another clubs forum after winning another flag to post i would actually still be out celebrating the flag if it had come our way, i wouldnt care about the team that finished ninth that year!! i think hawthorn played well and they deserved to win it wasnt luck at all geelong kicked bad and that = bad football, i hate geelong so its no bother to me. People are allowed there opinions though and some people on here hate the hawtoron some dont.

But Dont be coming on our blog calling tigers supporters rubble because they disagree with you.

Seems to me that you've either completely missed my point or not even read my post at all( as I explained why I posted on here earlier) and just saw the word 'rubble', took it out of context and ran with it.
It was a metaphor.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Before the main game the other day I watched the '89 Grand Final again.
Kicking to a contest, contested marking, big hits, melees, umpires letting the play go..that game had absolutely everything.
It really made me realise how sanitised our game has become in 2008. :-\

 

[theScabman]

Before the main game the other day I watched the '89 Grand Final again.
Kicking to a contest, contested marking, big hits, melees, umpires letting the play go..that game had absolutely everything.
It really made me realise how sanitised our game has become in 2008. :-\

It really was the way the game should be played ( as Bartel put it over the weekend).

Anyone else notice the amount of things that the MRP overlooked or saw as nothing incidences over the finals series? It was like they had finally realised that split second decisions are made in tight contests and shouldn't be dealt with so harshly when teams are putting everything on the line in the chase for the elusive flag.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

If thats true then thats a joke....cant take players into Grand Finals under injury clouds....especially mediocre ones like Varcoe. If it was Ablett you would consider it....even then 22 fit players on GF day is an absolute must.

Unfortunately it's a fact of football. Don't get sucked in by what is said to the media or what is said in public.

Clubs ALWAYS play injured players. In home and away games, in finals and in grand finals.

It's more about how the injury will affect them, is their a risk it can get worse, how important is the game and is a player ay 75% still better than someone outside there 22 at 100%.

A lot of people will tot around this "if you are not 100% should not be played and you can't get away with it these days" but that is rubbish. Clubs can do and will.

Take Brisbane in one of their grandfinals of the three-peat (can't remember which). Mal Michael was saying last week, before that grand final in the room, more players were lining up for shots than footy tape! Normally the line to get taped up is the biggest.

You do whatever it takes to win a grand final. As TM said, if it works your a genius, or the player becomes 'tough" a "legend". If it fails the coach is a dunce, and the player is a "squib" or was silly to put his hand up.

Nothing is black and white.

There's been some classic mis-management of injuries over the years but there has also been some game winning/premiership handling of them. Takes a very good relationship between a very good Coach and Medical team.

Brisbane excelled at that, Bomber Thomson had such a serious clash with his last medical chief recently he was sacked/left with a year to go on his contract.

I'm not passing judgement but just wondering if Thomson is one of the types to not work as closely with his medical staff as he should.

 

[Tigerbob]

Unfortunately it's a fact of football. Don't get sucked in by what is said to the media or what is said in public.

Clubs ALWAYS play injured players. In home and away games, in finals and in grand finals.

It's more about how the injury will affect them, is their a risk it can get worse, how important is the game and is a player ay 75% still better than someone outside there 22 at 100%.

A lot of people will tot around this "if you are not 100% should not be played and you can't get away with it these days" but that is rubbish. Clubs can do and will.

Take Brisbane in one of their grandfinals of the three-peat (can't remember which). Mal Michael was saying last week, before that grand final in the room, more players were lining up for shots than footy tape! Normally the line to get taped up is the biggest.

You do whatever it takes to win a grand final. As TM said, if it works your a genius, or the player becomes 'tough" a "legend". If it fails the coach is a dunce, and the player is a "squib" or was silly to put his hand up.

Nothing is black and white.

There's been some classic mis-management of injuries over the years but there has also been some game winning/premiership handling of them. Takes a very good relationship between a very good Coach and Medical team.

Brisbane excelled at that, Bomber Thomson had such a serious clash with his last medical chief recently he was sacked/left with a year to go on his contract.

I'm not passing judgement but just wondering if Thomson is one of the types to not work as closely with his medical staff as he should.

I can vouch players from the Brisbane Lions were lining up to take medical shots before the Grand Final.

The players were Nigel Lappin, Michael Voss, Martin Pyke, Craig McCrae etc Big difference in class between them and the Geelong players needing shots.

There has been no team in the modern era to come close to this team, and I wish people in the media will stop the comparisons. To win 3 in a row takes absoltely everything to be run as smooth as possible, mentally, physically, spiritually. 90% of that team had leadership qualities, and all had a will to win. Even the Hawthorn team that won on Saturday, although being good, would get pummeled into submission by the class, toughness and skill of that Brisbane Era.

An old expression gets used but hardly put into action, is from the boot studder to the President were contributors, let me tell you how right that saying was and still is. Even Hawthorn this year, the players and coaches interviewed stressed how valuable other people were in achieving this. The team that runs on the Field are valuable, but no more than EVERYONE associated in week by week going right. All comes back to being professional.

Sorry for the rant but I just keep reading about teams being compared to that Brisbane Team. First Geelong before the Grand Final, now Hawthorn after it. It upsets me more than it should, but I feel so strongly about it.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Sorry for the rant but I just keep reading about teams being compared to that Brisbane Team. First Geelong before the Grand Final, now Hawthorn after it. It upsets me more than it should, but I feel so strongly about it.

Feel free, it's a godo rant and I agree 100%.

To me it is a really silly argument/comparison that always trips up before you get to the second word of the reply.

Question: Is (insert team x here of various sides in the last 10 years) better than the great Brisbane side that won 3 premierships in a row?

Answer: Well...

NO! Don't waste time, how can there be a question until a team/club is able to win three in a row FFS!, if your club does it THEN come back and ask me.

A really stupid comparison, I agree.

 

[tiges]

cats fans

Why are geelong fans still whinning about the gf loss and this fact that they didnt deserve to lose, blah, blah , blah because they kicked inaccurate etc and they were the best team all year ?There cocky supporters need Get over it you lost , full stop, your team couldnt stand the heat in the kitchen, god sakes stop being such sore losers.

I mean really they should be used it it by now they have lost 6 of the last seven they have played in.