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GREG MILLER RECRUITING HISTORY
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This walk back in recruiting time highlights massive errors - which will hopefully never be repeated. Watching Torney at Adelaide on Sat night, I couldn't help thinking how much better off we would have been had we kept him and used the draft pick on the best available player.
With the exception of Nathan Brown (who was a gun pre leg break), it seldom pays to trade key Rd 1 draft picks for established players. If you have a professional recruiting structure (and we don't), you're better off drafting and developing your own young talent. The aim from here on has to be to draft our own Judd, Brown, Franklin equivalents.
In addition, I'd rather speculate on young talent at the bottom end of the draft rather than take Fleming, Nicholls and Sidthorp types. These names send a shudder down the spine. How could anyone recruit Nicholls second time around? What a joke. Don't even get me started on Shane Morrison and Luke Weller. If I hear Miller's cost excuse re expereinced players in comparison to juniors again, I'll be quite sick!
With the exception of Nathan Brown (who was a gun pre leg break), it seldom pays to trade key Rd 1 draft picks for established players. If you have a professional recruiting structure (and we don't), you're better off drafting and developing your own young talent. The aim from here on has to be to draft our own Judd, Brown, Franklin equivalents.
In addition, I'd rather speculate on young talent at the bottom end of the draft rather than take Fleming, Nicholls and Sidthorp types. These names send a shudder down the spine. How could anyone recruit Nicholls second time around? What a joke. Don't even get me started on Shane Morrison and Luke Weller. If I hear Miller's cost excuse re expereinced players in comparison to juniors again, I'll be quite sick!
I dont know about this view...i suspect our draft picks are fine (generally speaking) however for some reason, at Richmond, kids never seem to develop like they do at other clubs. I have no doub that it has a lot to do with our lack of system, leadership and skill. If Deledio, Tambling and co were at an Essendon, Sydney etc... i have no doubt they would be performing much better. I am not so convinced that it is our drafting that is the primary reason...i think it is our coaching, skills and system
Phantom said:supercoach tw said:
Just surprised that someone would want to raise a subject like this. Everyone has their own views on Greg, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
In my case, as you would all know, I admire and respect Greg very much, but no-one, even Greg is perfect.
Here are a couple of examples.
1. In the late 70s, there were 3 young men, all brothers, playing down at South Melbourne. They were an unknown quantity, and only one of them had just made his senior debut at that stage. The Swans were looking for some experienced legs in the centre. So what did the Swans do? They traded the 3 brothers to Essendon for a 29yo Neville Fields who only played for one more year. Greg was a young man then, but he was already an important part
of South's footy administration. He was young, and certainly learnt from that error. (By the way, you can probably guess the surname that the 3 young brothers shared. here was a 4th brother too.
2. In the mid80s a young junior ruckman was in North's zone. Under the then VFL rules, if you were 16 you were tied to that club. If you were 17, if that club hadn't selected you, you became open to the other clubs. This young ruckman despised Denis Pagan with an extreme passion. What did this young ruckman do? He sought advice from the club that he eventually went to that he should tell North that he was 16, not 17. North still felt they had a hold of him, so they didn't bother taking him. The North administrator didn't bother checking with the local football association's record of the birthdate of this young junior champion. He was shocked to find out a few weeks later that Footscray had signed him up. (The young ruckman had blonde hair and was amongst Footscray's greatest players.
The point?
If you go back over enough history, everyone makes mistakes. Greg has, I have, evryone has. Let the person who has never sinned cast the first stone.
Didn't Graeme Richmond trade 3 players, Francis Jackson being one of them, for John Pitura? Yet Graeme Richmond was a key in Tiger recruiting throughout the 60s & 70s.
The Tigers need good and experienced footy heads at the club. The footy admin is rebuilding itself and it needs persons that others can have trust in. Wallace, Royal, King, Collins, Jackson, Armstrong et al are at Tigerland for a reason. And the single thread to the recruiting of all these men was one Greg Miller.
To me, with a little bit of my guidance, Greg is now making the correct decisions at Richmond. He is open, honest and forthcoming.
This is the type of person that I want to see running our footy admin.
If you wish to raise the subject, then expect everyone to put in their two cents worth.
Well said.
Tigerskills, I think it's both. We haven't been great at recruiting and we certainly haven't been as good as developing our young players as quickly as it seems to happen at other clubs. I can't help but also think that if Tambling, Deledio, Meyer, Pattison etc were at other clubs they would be better players than what they are know. However perhaps the negativity of the whole situation is clouding our assessment?
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artyfestYeah, fair enough T2011. We have made some woeful recruitment decisions in the past. I think that these kids that we have at least have the POTENTIAL of being very good. In fact i think all of the kids drafted in the top 20-30 each year have great potential...(The underage played development is so good these days that every year a large number of great young prospects are turned out (especially in the midfield category) so if that is the case then the breakdown must be in how they are prepared and coached once they reach AFL level. It happens too often at Richmond.
Tigers2011 said:
Makes perfect sense to me. Rodan's recent success backs up what you've just said. Miller it's time to take responsibility for this recruitment fiasco and Terry who are the people at Tigerland developing player's skills? The boot studder could do a better job from what I've seen.