mb64 said:
mb, in millers defence he didnt knock back pic 28 he actually accepted it but at the same time asked to swap our pic 18 for ports pic 16 and they said no and the deal subsequently fell apart.
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mb, in millers defence he didnt knock back pic 28 he actually accepted it but at the same time asked to swap our pic 18 for ports pic 16 and they said no and the deal subsequently fell apart.
AstuteTiger said:
Excellent point Astute. Amazing how many people get the smell of blood when Miller's name is mentioned (imagined!) that they look over the facts.
Fact...This is a weak draft...anyone who seriously thinks Schulz is worth a Pick 28 is kidding themself when WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOSE HIM!
Fact...Miller was actually trying to upgrade our second pick...forget the Schulz distraction
Fact...Port are a *smile* to deal with (ala Stevens) Good for them, tough for everyone else, if you don't enertain them they won't get into protracted talks much
Wether you are a Miller supporter or not, some people on here need to have a hard look at themselves and find something more concrete if they are going to throw something at a glass house. All I hear are ping pong balls.
Disagree strongly, let's wait and see picks 16, 17 & 18 Disco. If the Top 25 are widely reputed as "the best worth having" in crude terms......I see 16 as far superior to 18. Imagine if Rance goes at 16 (think he will go before this but my point being..) and we pick up say Rioli at 18 as he is best available.
PRE would go into meltdown.
PRE would go into meltdown.
Dyer Disciple said:
pick 28 might not get you a gun but it was the perfect selection to get the 3rd or 4th best ruck behind kruezer and mcevoy, funny how miller was "trying" to play hardball with port but gave into the dogs so easily for jm
now we are left with schulz who will most likely play the season at coburg and end up with nothing next year
Dyer Disciple said:
Have to disagree with you and the actual results of 16, 17 and 18 are irrelevant. Under what circumstances could you possibly predict that a player you thought you could get at 16 would be gone at 18? Did they have a list of the 16 best players that they think will all go in the top 16 whereafter the talent drops off markedly? I don't think so.
Pick 18 is going to give you a shot at pretty much the same talent pick 16 is, plus you have the luxury of not picking for need because you also have pick 28 and you got rid of a player who you wanted to get rid of.
U2Tigers said:
Me too. Can't wait. ;D I've worked the last couple of drafts. Is the chat room a goer?
Considering Miller had no objection the year before to downgrading 5 picks and most labelled that as irrelevant, hard to acknowledge Miller's wisdom in basing a 2 place upgrade as a reason for objection.
Of more concern was his statement about only 50% of players taken around pick 28 making it as a player hence the reason to hold on to a 5 year Coburg forward in lieu. Confirms he still does not respect the draft system and its importance for list and structure improvement for poor teams.
Of more concern was his statement about only 50% of players taken around pick 28 making it as a player hence the reason to hold on to a 5 year Coburg forward in lieu. Confirms he still does not respect the draft system and its importance for list and structure improvement for poor teams.
IrockZ said:
Well I for one am glad we did not bend over for Port and am disgusted anyone would be happy to see a contracted "tall" player like Schulz go for Pick 28.
If pick 16 / 18 are not so different, why didn't Port deal? *shakes head*
It's very easy to say, it would be "handy" to have another pick and in the 20's..late as they may be even, but in truth you ahve to look at...
The quality of player leaving...
The worth of that pick IN THIS YEARS DRAFT (they are not all the same people)...
The statement you make to other clubs about what it will cost to take a contracted player...
Sheesh, Port made a example of Stevens who was uncontracted...and people want us to frivolously give away a contracted young tall (we are so reportedly short of) for a mere Pick 28.
It's probably the same people who knock Moore, McGuane etc who would like to see us get rid of the one mauled tall who as at least shown something at times, in favour of lesser proven ones...for a lucky dip pick in a weak draft.
NO thanks, I back the club on this decision.
jb03 said:
Think your missing the point.
All about judging things on a year by year basis. I think the right calls have been made recently about downgrading/upgrading.
Deeper draft (last year) you can down grade.
Not so deep draft (this year) you try to upgrade.
Not rocket science here. But some would have you believe that it is about egos and not common sense.
IMO talk of weak and strong drafts is just Footy Manager speak to justify the masses for decisions that could be otherwise deemed as 'odd'.
Downgrading pick 19 for pick pick 67 or Guy Richards in this years draft would be catastrophic then under your logic.
Dyer Disciple said:
Downgrading pick 19 for pick pick 67 or Guy Richards in this years draft would be catastrophic then under your logic.
jb03 said:
With all due respect I see this point of view one born from forums and "needs for debate" rather than based in reality.
As you like to point out elsewhere jb03 :
, there are volumes in other threads that speak about this, I respect your view and those opposed to my own.But my view is that is a contrite, simplistic and naive point of view, added with a spice of hindsight.
One of the big parts of trade week was keeping the pressure of NO:1 Pre-season pick in the whole Judd-Gate saga.
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