Greg Miller soon on SEN

[Scoop]

Why dont we just use one of the ND selections i.e. pick 64 ? By doing that, surely we get better access to the junior player that we want than going via the PSD dont we ? Isnt the Rookie selection process supposed to be used to identify any good left over players otherwise you use the ND to its best potential ?

That is a puzzling one. Why not use 64? Why not think about using it? What if another Connors is sitting there?

 

[Willo]

2006 proud stewart renouf djerrkura edwards howard DAWES mckenzie collard petterd tippett morton schmidt.
2005 muston cook hughes mills ibbotson addison RIGGIO mckinley lower west vince gilbert sphanger.
2004 wells rusling van berlo hartlett garner little GIBSON rosa lee moore prismall ackland ezard.
2003 thurley moody jones miller mcconnell campbell NASH schmidt krueger symes shaw adcock peel.
2002 ferguson lonergan johnson urch rivers walsh CARTLEDGE shackelton merret perry jericho murphy dempster.
2001 seaby gardiner johnson armstrong rogers davidson POWELL roberts-thompson crowe reynolds brown rodan okeefe.
2000 hadley petrie ablett coughlan birss richards GREENE charman rocca campbell hunt pike lonie

there ya go 6 picks either side of pick 28 for the last 7 drafts make what you will. some pretty handy players taken just after pick 28 in every draft. it is clearly possible to pick up a good player every draft with pick 28. imo the chance of missing with picks inside the top 40 is decreasing every yr. put simply clubs are getting better and better at picking good kids with their first 3 picks.

About 5 from 35(after 28) ;D

 

[Willo]

Pick them and turn them over? Good in theory, how long do you keep them for exactly?

 

[the claw]

That is a puzzling one. Why not use 64? Why not think about using it? What if another Connors is sitting there?

why not use 64 or is it 67 on sampy or wilkes. jeez you would be dirty if young ruckmen like putt renton or mulligan were to slip to 64 67.

 

[Willo]

why not use 64 or is it 67 on sampy or wilkes. jeez you would be dirty if young ruckmen like putt renton or mulligan were to slip to 64 67.

I agree with you here Claw, too preconceived. Should really see who is available 1st then have a fallback on player to delist if necessary, surely some others would have been under the microscope.
If nothing decent in psd pass there

 

[the claw]

Pick them and turn them over? Good in theory, how long do you keep them for exactly?

that would depend on many things mostly if you think they are capable of overcoming deficiencies. one things for sure nothing ventured nothing gained or put another way better to get rid of the dud you know and give some one else a crack.

 

[the claw]

About 5 from 35(after 28) ;D

sheesh your harsher than me. i would be happy to persevere with about 10 from 05 06. then theres rosa prismall from 05.
schmidt symes adcock from 03 shackleton merrett perry dempster roberts- thompson reynolds even rodan charman have all been far better value than schulz

 

[the claw]

a 'win or two?'

tell me when thats gonna happen

apparently next yr.

 

[doherz]

I thought claw was running for a board position :hihi

Several posistions in fact - see below.

 

[Willo]

Several posistions in fact - see below.

Suspect he'll do well ;D

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

sheesh your harsher than me. i would be happy to persevere with about 10 from 05 06. then theres rosa prismall from 05.
schmidt symes adcock from 03 shackleton merrett perry dempster roberts- thompson reynolds even rodan charman have all been far better value than schulz

Interesting list, thanks for putting it together, you can probably give anyone 05 or later the benefit of the doubt and exclude them from the sample unless they have been desisted already. Father/son don't count either.

So you are roughly left with-

2004 wells rusling van berlo hartlett garner little GIBSON rosa lee moore prismall ackland ezard.
2003 thurley moody jones miller mcconnell campbell NASH schmidt krueger symes shaw adcock peel.
2002 ferguson lonergan johnson urch rivers walsh CARTLEDGE shackelton perry jericho murphy dempster.
2001 seaby gardiner johnson armstrong rogers davidson POWELL roberts-thompson crowe reynolds brown rodan okeefe.
2000 hadley petrie coughlan birss richards GREENE charman rocca campbell hunt pike lonie

So from this list who would you rate as a good ordinary 100 game player? (e.g. seaby) And who would you put in gun category? (e.g. o'keefe, Cogs)

 

[Elmer]

I put this on the Guy Richards thread, but can someone confirm if Miller said on Sunday that we might be just as likely to use the PSD pick on a junior ? Didnt he say that besides it being an insurance policy, the PSD option on an unselected ND player also allowed them to look at the players left over from the ND ?

Besides the fact its disapointing that we cant get a half-decent established player through the PSD, can someone tell me what the point of the above is ?

Why dont we just use one of the ND selections i.e. pick 64 ? By doing that, surely we get better access to the junior player that we want than going via the PSD dont we ? Isnt the Rookie selection process supposed to be used to identify any good left over players otherwise you use the ND to its best potential ?

Or is Miller saying that they dont know the juniors all that well and have to evaluate them further post of the ND !

Maybe he's hedging his bets?

Holding onto PSD, protecting himself in the scenario that if an established player's contract talk breaks down in the last minute. (Re: They know we don't have first pick!) Offsetting that against how many juniors will get picked in ND between 64 and the last selection in the draft.

Either way, it doesn’t sound like the most assured plan.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

That is a puzzling one. Why not use 64? Why not think about using it? What if another Connors is sitting there?

Conners would have went a hell of a lot earlier this year than last year.Thats the difference.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

why not use 64 or is it 67 on sampy or wilkes. jeez you would be dirty if young ruckmen like putt renton or mulligan were to slip to 64 67.

So your willing to give sampi a go with pick 64 or so after just 2 weeks coming back from the wilderness when you have the option of an extra 3 weeks to see if he has the desire or not.Luv your logic Clawster.

 

[TigersYellowAndBlack]

That is a puzzling one. Why not use 64? Why not think about using it? What if another Connors is sitting there?

Already stated there will not be any Connors types at 64 and would be better off reviewing the players as training camp invitees before the rookie draft. This is what a lot of other clubs will be doing as well.

 

[cagedtiger]

Already stated there will not be any Connors types at 64 and would be better off reviewing the players as training camp invitees before the rookie draft. This is what a lot of other clubs will be doing as well.

Sensible approach. That's how we ended up picking Will Thursfield as a rookie after assessing him at our training camp. If we went along with the popular opinion Ruory Kirby was supposedly the sure thing rookie when looking at the left over players who were not drafted in the ND.

 

[tigerlee]

Pick them and turn them over? Good in theory, how long do you keep them for exactly?

in Tiger terms - how long is a piece of string ..... :-\

 

[Disco08]

Already stated there will not be any Connors types at 64 and would be better off reviewing the players as training camp invitees before the rookie draft. This is what a lot of other clubs will be doing as well.

According to Miller. Let's see how many other clubs keep picking after Richmond bows out.

 

[the claw]

So your willing to give sampi a go with pick 64 or so after just 2 weeks coming back from the wilderness when you have the option of an extra 3 weeks to see if he has the desire or not.Luv your logic Clawster.

personally i would have been in sampis ear weeks ago. as i keep on saying he was one of the best youngsters i have ever seen he has more talent in his toe than most do in their entire bodies. if i was going to take a punt on someone with a late pick it would be sampi. im prepared to use 64 because i think melbourne will definately take him late in fact 64 may be to late. according to your god it is a shallow draft after all.

 

[Willo]

personally i would have been in sampis ear weeks ago. as i keep on saying he was one of the best youngsters i have ever seen he has more talent in his toe than most do in their entire bodies. if i was going to take a punt on someone with a late pick it would be sampi. im prepared to use 64 because i think melbourne will definately take him late in fact 64 may be to late. according to your god it is a shallow draft after all.

Sure he has a few issues to sort out, but he has shown he is prepared to try to work thru them and as you say Claw he has talent and is still young, while we haven't an actual need for his type, we could possibly get him as a bargain pick