Has Wallace's running style from Bulldog days become out dated?

[Jason King]

Its the only way to play football in my opinion. All rushing through in waves and backing yourselves to carve up the opposition. Just takes alot of skillfull players who look like they have more time than they actually do.

 

[IanG]

As you have said it's very showy but it is also a high risk/low return strategy.

I would have thought it minimises risk by decreasing the number of disposals.

 

[ToraToraTora]

Working beautifully Dyer.

Have a look at this also...stole this from another site, sorry...

Port Adelaide - beaten them twice since 1999
Geelong - beaten them once since 2000
Adelaide - beaten them once since 2000
Kangaroos - beaten them once since 2001
West Coast - have not beaten them since 2002
St.Kilda - have lost 9 straight since 2003
Melbourne - have beaten them once since 2003

OUCH!

 

[stripes17]

Collingwood have been a fairly successful team over the last few years. How have we stacked up against them? I would think we have done fairly well, so what is the reason for that?

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Working beautifully Dyer.

Have a look at this also...stole this from another site, sorry...

Port Adelaide - beaten them twice since 1999
Geelong - beaten them once since 2000
Adelaide - beaten them once since 2000
Kangaroos - beaten them once since 2001
West Coast - have not beaten them since 2002
St.Kilda - have lost 9 straight since 2003
Melbourne - have beaten them once since 2003

OUCH!

This is what I call stats. I wonder what excuses the flowersniffers would give for these pathetic results.

 

[Liverpool]

Collingwood have been a fairly successful team over the last few years. How have we stacked up against them? I would think we have done fairly well, so what is the reason for that?

Stripes,
Some of those wins against the Magpies have been in the wet, when we are forced into the "KISS" (Keep it Simple, Stupid) gameplan of kicking it long down into the forward-50.

As a rule I reckon carrying the ball is a waste of time. You do it just long enough to ensure you move the ball effectively. That shouldn't be long at all if you can play.
Look at it this way. The slowest way of getting the ball from one end of the ground is to carry it. Speed of ball movement is crucial to success, therefore the less you carry it, the faster you move it.

Totally agree.
While I don't like the "bomb the ball to Richo with 3 players on him" tactic....this is where the run DOES become important (something we don't do)
If the players who do NOT have the ball ran their guts out into space and the player with the ball can hit that target, then we could bang it straight down to the likes of Richo/Simmo/Polak or a player on a lead (Brown, Pettifer, Lids, etc)...then we would be proper playing.

To use a soccer term "pass and move".....kick the ball to a target that has run into space and then run yourself to provide a target.

 

[tigers80]

especially the running around in a circle which seems to be the pattern of play from the tigers...particulary one certain player who holds the highest office at tigerland who has become quite adapt at that...

pfffttt....this bozo doesnt have a gameplan thats why our cubs are rooted even before we start....

no wonder one of our high draft picks wont be around circa 2009.... ..something about a gut and a full one at that...

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

There is obvious merit in the plan of run and carry.

Unfotunately the AFL will not allow Richmond to draw lines on the ground so guys like Bowden, Sugar, Tiva and Co don't get lost. Honestly these guys travle further than Burke and Wills but never seem to get anywhere!

The problem with Richmond's style of running game is that the grounds arent wide enough for our style and the boundary line seems to cramp us. At least at Footscray they ran in straight lines.

 

[Tango]

the problem is that you only run and carry half the length of the ground
the other half you have to kick it to someone
thats where our problems start

 

[Bill James]

Has Wallaces's running style from Bulldog days become out dated?

Yes, coaches wait until they are sacked now.

 

[Tigerfan]

Has Wallaces's running style from Bulldog days become out dated?

Yes, coaches wait until they are sacked now.

:rotfl

 

[Scoop]

As a rule I reckon carrying the ball is a waste of time. You do it just long enough to ensure you move the ball effectively. That shouldn't be long at all if you can play.

Of course, in the case of Richmond, we can't find targets so the fewer transfers of possession we attempt, the more likely it is to get to the other end (not likely at all). But that's not a sound basis for a gameplan.

Look at it this way. The slowest way of getting the ball from one end of the ground is to carry it. Speed of ball movement is crucial to success, therefore the less you carry it, the faster you move it.

So why do we talk up our run and carry game? Is it an aesthetic consideration? Is it pretty? Which was the last pretty premiership side?

If we teach our players to move the ball quickly (at least the ones who are coachable) they are less likely to be outnumbered when they get it. And when the footy gets to the other end there will have been less time for players to flood back, zone off, and ruin our lives. And wait for it, we might get it in there more than eighteen times a half (Fitzroy stuff).

Richmond should have a focus on moving the ball quickly under pressure. Run and carry is for poseurs and losers.

Run and carry. It might be pretty but it's the enemy of quick ball movement. We should lose the run and carry instead of the games. Hey maybe we can do both.

To me Wallace teams look most like Williams teams- light running models. But the Port teams use the ball quicker from my obs.

Spot on. That is gospel. Email that to Wallace and Miller.

 

[the claw]

Craig two years ago Adelaide were considered untouchable through the home and away playing precise contested footy.

WC knocked them over at Subi playing a run and carry style and handballed more in that match than kicked which was a first in a League game (well publisized at the time). The Eagles exploited the crows lack of pace.

There is nothing wrong with a running game.

WC however backed it up, and won the GF, with good skills, pace and willingness to contest.

Again, there is nothing wrong with a running game. We just don't have the cattle to do it properly, this may be where Wallace is falling down, youth development, time will tell.

How much time has he got?

firstly have a look at recent records wce have had it all over the crows for yrs. why better talls better onballers superb defence and bigger stronger bodies. when the eagles and sydney play its trench warfare imo the eagles have it all over sydney but to many players with poor skills tends to keep sydney in the games they play. in particular finishing skills.
blokes with poor kicking skills at west coast. jones fletcher lynch waters kerr to name just a few.

 

[the claw]

oh yeah i ask again how could something that failed abysmally apart from 1 yr become outdated.
jeezus afl coaches talk about pig headed. terrys clinging to something that has never really worked.it will be the death of him.

 

[H tiger]

Well if it kills him Claw you and most other supporters on here will be happy. I myself am non-plused whether he goes or stays. I want us to improve and be a contender in the medium term and set policies so that continues in the future. I don't want to waste my time and money wanting to go and watch us be pasted year after year either.

However, for all the tanned ones failings we surely aren’t in a worse position than when he arrived are we? (I know we couldn't be much worse). We have drafted well, not perfectly but reasonably well. He may have (did have?) a hand in one poor trade decision but he is trying to keep his job.

We aren't going to be able to compete with the likes of WC in developing our youth because they are not distributed through a very strong state competition. In saying that we should be a cohesive side, in time, with our cubs coming through Coburg in one team.

Claw I agree with what you say in the most part and unlike some you know what you're talking about. Keep it up just look at the positive occasionally.

 

[Darth Tiger]

Yes, so did I, I should clarify....

The team that kicks ahead of the play is a faster team than that that runs forward, and then finds that, funnily enough, their opponents ran parallel to them, or had time to get into position ahead of them.

This is the Len Smith theory ... ironic that it still stands up as a tactic in the modern era.