Hawks want best available

[The Mighty Wozman]

After 12 months it is obvious that the two best players in last year's draft are Deledio and Griffin, others are good but they are clearly the best.  I can remember reading stacks about this last year and I formed the opinion they should have gone 1 and 2.

It is not Tambling that the Hawks passed up last year, it is Griffen.  I suspect last year's draft would have looked totally different if they had followed the conventional wisdom of taking the best player available (and done their sums right).

on the money TOT70s..... I think this top 5 will go down as one of the best in recent years. Deledio and Griffen are definite standouts. In terms of Franklin, he could be anything....At this stage, however, I am leaning towards a tallish Jeff Farmer..... :hihi flashes of brilliance, but WILL let you down in crunch games... This is my opinion.

 

[realist]

After 12 months it is obvious that the two best players in last year's draft are Deledio and Griffin, others are good but they are clearly the best.  I can remember reading stacks about this last year and I formed the opinion they should have gone 1 and 2.

It is not Tambling that the Hawks passed up last year, it is Griffen.  I suspect last year's draft would have looked totally different if they had followed the conventional wisdom of taking the best player available (and done their sums right).

on the money TOT70s.....  I think this top 5 will go down as one of the best in recent years.  Deledio and Griffen are definite standouts.  In terms of Franklin, he could be anything....At this stage, however, I am leaning towards a tallish Jeff Farmer..... :hihi flashes of brilliance, but WILL let you down in crunch games...  This is my opinion.

But Tambling will become a consistent dominant performer right? :

 

[Scoop]

I think the Lids first five may be better then the Hodge draft in time.

1 Luke Hodge Hawthorn Geelong U18 U18 VCFL
2 Luke Ball St Kilda Sandringham U18 U18 VMFL
3 Chris Judd WC Eagles Sandringham U18 U18 VMFL
4 Graham Polak Fremantle East Fremantle  WAFL
5 Xavier Clarke St Kilda St Marys  NT

VS

Pr'ty 1 110398 Richmond Brett Deledio MURRAY BUSHRANGERS 18-04-1987
Pr'ty 2 110391 Hawthorn Jarryd Roughead GIPPSLAND POWER 23-01-1987 /4.
Pr'ty 3 110393 Western Bulldogs Ryan Griffen
Rd 1 4 110260 Richmond Richard Tambling SOUTHERN DISTRICTS 12/9/1986 181.
Rd 1 5 110571 Hawthorn Lance Franklin PERTH 30-01-1987 196 87

If Griffen goes 2, wonder what the choice would have been. I reckon we would have taken Roughhead at pick 4 becuase the Bulldogs would have snatched Richard Tambling up in a flash. Happy to have the little master though.

I think Lance Franklin will be a pre knee surgey version of Adam Goodes. Not sure if he will be as good but that type of player. And by the way isn't Adam Goodes building a impressive reume, a modern day Peter Moore.

Maybe that is where football has gone in the last 25 years,. Natural evoultion Peter Morre to Jim Stynes to Adam goodes to Lance Franklin. This guys are all simialr builds just more athletic versions of the guy before them.

 

[craig]

the doggies always had griffen at 1, so did i if you go back through the posts, we were never going to get lids and griff as the dogs had 3rd pick and would have taken griffen if thye had first pick. I must admit i am very happy with lids and although i would have loved roughead to go with lids i am glad we chose tambling over franklin.

I think franklin has an attitude problem and is a bit flakey, although he has talent and size (2 great commodities) i dont think he will play as a true KPP which is a waste.

Lids is a gun and can & will play anywhere

Griffen is a rolls royce midfielder - will be one of the best

Tambling will be a freakish match winner, flashy but brilliant

& Roughead will be a solid KPP defender for 10 years

all in my opinion of course

Yeah not bad there Tango my man i think Franklin is at wrong club for his development.
If he was at Brizzy, the WCE, Adelaide, Essendon, the Power or even the Doggies (how good are they going!) i reckon he would have the hard core surroundings required to keep him under control and to not let him get carried away with himself.
Will wait and see but i'd have him at RFC no worries mate!

 

[frickenel]

I heard on SEN a few weeks back that next years draft is so loaded with talent that the first 8 or so players would be worthy first picks. The converstation came up as they were accusing the Hawks of a trading strategy that would see them bottom out again for priority picks next year.

I hope they change the rules before then.

 

[The Mighty Wozman]

After 12 months it is obvious that the two best players in last year's draft are Deledio and Griffin, others are good but they are clearly the best.  I can remember reading stacks about this last year and I formed the opinion they should have gone 1 and 2.

It is not Tambling that the Hawks passed up last year, it is Griffen.  I suspect last year's draft would have looked totally different if they had followed the conventional wisdom of taking the best player available (and done their sums right).

on the money TOT70s.....  I think this top 5 will go down as one of the best in recent years.  Deledio and Griffen are definite standouts.  In terms of Franklin, he could be anything....At this stage, however, I am leaning towards a tallish Jeff Farmer..... :hihi flashes of brilliance, but WILL let you down in crunch games...  This is my opinion.

But Tambling will become a consistent dominant performer right?  :

While Tambling didn't burn the house down this year, I would take him anyday over Franklin.  There was many a time this year when I saw Franklin give up the chase, fail to harrass his immediate opponent, and generally, play like a 6'5 rover  :   Please insert "he is only 18 and really really really does have a good attitude..........."  response here :nopity

 

[TOT70]

on the money TOT70s..... I think this top 5 will go down as one of the best in recent years. Deledio and Griffen are definite standouts. In terms of Franklin, he could be anything....At this stage, however, I am leaning towards a tallish Jeff Farmer..... :hihi flashes of brilliance, but WILL let you down in crunch games... This is my opinion.

But Tambling will become a consistent dominant performer right? :

While Tambling didn't burn the house down this year, I would take him anyday over Franklin. There was many a time this year when I saw Franklin give up the chase, fail to harrass his immediate opponent, and generally, play like a 6'5 rover : Please insert "he is only 18 and really really really does have a good attitude..........." response here :nopity

I think both Richmond and the Bullies played their hands correctly last year. Deledio, Griffin & Tambling were logical choices, Roughead was out of order.

If Hawks took Griffin, what would have happened next? Bullies to take Tambling? MAybe, but they already had plenty of small, quick types. Roughead? Maybe? They passed on Franklin in the real draft, so probably would again. They were hot for Williams and knew that no-one else was, so Tambling would be a Bulldog.

RFC would have ended up with Roughead. Hawks still get Franklin.

I can't see how they would have avoided him at 5. They had 5 and RFC and Bullies rated him no higher.

They should have gone for Griffin. He will captain an AFL team in about six years.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

If ya think the past year on who got it right and who got it wrong debate was lively wait till this year where for what it seems the Talent available doesnt appear to look as impressive.might be worth while to check out the hawks,pies & blues forums for the next 12 mnths :rofl :rofl

 

[realist]

After 12 months it is obvious that the two best players in last year's draft are Deledio and Griffin, others are good but they are clearly the best.  I can remember reading stacks about this last year and I formed the opinion they should have gone 1 and 2.

It is not Tambling that the Hawks passed up last year, it is Griffen.  I suspect last year's draft would have looked totally different if they had followed the conventional wisdom of taking the best player available (and done their sums right).

on the money TOT70s.....  I think this top 5 will go down as one of the best in recent years.  Deledio and Griffen are definite standouts.  In terms of Franklin, he could be anything....At this stage, however, I am leaning towards a tallish Jeff Farmer..... :hihi flashes of brilliance, but WILL let you down in crunch games...  This is my opinion.

But Tambling will become a consistent dominant performer right?  :

While Tambling didn't burn the house down this year, I would take him anyday over Franklin.  There was many a time this year when I saw Franklin give up the chase, fail to harrass his immediate opponent, and generally, play like a 6'5 rover  :   Please insert "he is only 18 and really really really does have a good attitude..........."  response here :nopity

Spose you see what you want to see really.

But Franklins chasing and tackling were consistently ignored when he did do it exceptionally well at times, and only highlighted when he made a mistake.

His two goals against the Tigers this year (one in each round) were simply awesome. I wonder the reaction on here if Tambling had pulled off something similiar.

However you put it 20 goals in his first year is impressive. His body isn't big enough to play against Leppitch and Scarlett yet so I don't know how you can judge him playing like that just yet, he's damn skinny.

I'll say it again, Franklin showed brilliance in his first year, along with rustyiness, kicks 20 goals.. yet you say he wont become a star. Tambling showed next to nothing in comparison, yet it seems fair enough that everybody makes the assumption that this pick will most certainly make it. Weird.

It humours me that people are talking about Hawthorn missing out on Griffen, yet after the draft Wallace claimed "the best two draft picks, we couldn't separate them" when asked about tambling and deledio. Claiming Richmond would have picked Tambling before Griffen anyhow if they had the choice.

 

[The Mighty Wozman]

After 12 months it is obvious that the two best players in last year's draft are Deledio and Griffin, others are good but they are clearly the best.  I can remember reading stacks about this last year and I formed the opinion they should have gone 1 and 2.

It is not Tambling that the Hawks passed up last year, it is Griffen.  I suspect last year's draft would have looked totally different if they had followed the conventional wisdom of taking the best player available (and done their sums right).

on the money TOT70s.....  I think this top 5 will go down as one of the best in recent years.  Deledio and Griffen are definite standouts.  In terms of Franklin, he could be anything....At this stage, however, I am leaning towards a tallish Jeff Farmer..... :hihi flashes of brilliance, but WILL let you down in crunch games...  This is my opinion.

But Tambling will become a consistent dominant performer right?  :

While Tambling didn't burn the house down this year, I would take him anyday over Franklin.  There was many a time this year when I saw Franklin give up the chase, fail to harrass his immediate opponent, and generally, play like a 6'5 rover  :   Please insert "he is only 18 and really really really does have a good attitude..........."  response here :nopity

Spose you see what you want to see really.

But Franklins chasing and tackling were consistently ignored when he did do it exceptionally well at times, and only highlighted when he made a mistake.

His two goals against the Tigers this year (one in each round) were simply awesome. I wonder the reaction on here if Tambling had pulled off something similiar.

However you put it 20 goals in his first year is impressive. His body isn't big enough to play against Leppitch and Scarlett yet so I don't know how you can judge him playing like that just yet, he's damn skinny.

I'll say it again, Franklin showed brilliance in his first year, along with rustyiness, kicks 20 goals.. yet you say he wont become a star. Tambling showed next to nothing in comparison, yet it seems fair enough that everybody makes the assumption that this pick will most certainly make it. Weird.

It humours me that people are talking about Hawthorn missing out on Griffen, yet after the draft Wallace claimed "the best two draft picks, we couldn't separate them" when asked about tambling and deledio. Claiming Richmond would have picked Tambling before Griffen anyhow if they had the choice.

I still will take Tambling anyday. As stated in the above post, Frankilin can do the in and out flashy things. IMO alot of his goals were cheap, opportunistic, and only slightly embodied the occasional dash of brilliance. I'll concede Roughy and Lewis, but this guy IMO will struggle and frustrate. You only have to look on HHQ to realise that even Hawks supporters are suspect of his output, attitude, and flakiness..... to think that we "eat our own" :

 

[gustiger12]

Gary Buchennara (spelling) has acknowledged many times that Tambling will be a gun. Whether that proves to be true or not remains to be seen but obviously Franklin and Roughead were selected for specific roles. Hopefully we will be the ones who have benefitted from their strategies.

 

[SaveFerris]

While Tambling didn't burn the house down this year, I would take him anyday over Franklin. There was many a time this year when I saw Franklin give up the chase, fail to harrass his immediate opponent, and generally, play like a 6'5 rover : Please insert "he is only 18 and really really really does have a good attitude..........." response here :nopity

Ogh man thats a really bad call about Franklin, He has averaged more tackles than Deledio this year, So if you think this is the case about Franklin it really doesn't say much about Deledio then.